News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

Isamar

Well-Known Member
Since budget is top of people's minds... I went back to watch the Aug 23 meeting which I really didn't get to watch live, and wanted to compare with the prior meeting where Garcia had made his comments about police spending, etc that wasn't even part of their budget.

Back in the July meeting, the board had to approve a millage rate because Florida's transparency laws require them to send out TRIM notices 30 days after the county property assessor publishes the year's property values. The value set for those notices is supposed to be the max the taxer will set. Staff reported using a higher rate would require 'extraordinary notice'.

I think Garcia or his goons read the thread because I mentioned about their voting with such a brief amount of detail, and in the Aug meeting he went out of his way to say they had already seen all this material and spent a lot of time with it :)

So let's start with all the misleading stuff they spew
July Meeting
- Garcia goes on about saving money in the budget and highlights spending on security specifically for Disney properties. 8M in spending that turns out, isn't even IN HIS BUDGET. He's referring to spending by the Cities IN THEIR OWN BUDGETS. So again, waving numbers around that aren't even in the context of the District's spending.

Aug Meeting
- The District's 'CEO' lead the budget presentation by claiming they were 'reducing collections 13.8Million' and eliminating 2.8Million in 'inappropriate spending'... claiming they were saving 16.6 million from the budget... and claimed it could have been 21.1Million if it weren't for having to pay for the lawyers.

This claim is total #$% - The only real reduction in that conversation is their elimination of 2.8Million. The 'reduction in collections' is the net change of their tax rate.. not an actual reduction in SPENDING. It's like a mechanic telling you "Oh I saved you $500 because I didn't raise my rates.. but I could have". It's not a reduction compared to what you actually faced... it's a made up comparison of what 'could have been'.

In truth, the budget calls for 2.7% net increase in spending - They didn't reduce spending, they took from some pots and added to others. The lower millage rate is due to assessments growing combined with their internal cuts. Their actual tax collections will increase over 9 million compared to FY23... even with the reduced millage rate.

- The irony is they eliminated their publicity budget - but are having to increase their spending in Public Affairs, in part due to all the extra FOIA requests they are getting (a sign of too much negative attention).

- Many departments were facing single digit reductions vs prior years, including from reduction of staff. It's hard to track completely because they also were moving headcount between departments. (Notably several OUT of the Fire Dept). Notable in capital projects was the Planning & Engineering dept which managed to keep expenses down by using the option to do 'less paving rehab'

- They make the budget a political topic by trying to finger point at Disney... literally calling out in the presentation 'Disney Incurred Expenses'

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Where they highlight spending 1.9M this year on legal, and budgeting for 4.5M next year. Seems awful low to me to expect their actual expenses over the full year and over multiple suits to only climb that little.

And lastly... riddle me this... They point out that the Disney pass perks were costing the district 2.5 Million. They also claim to have over 400 employees. Their solution is to gross up everyone's pay $1425. So in their quest to be good fiscal stewards they are going to spend over $5.7million... to 'save' 2.5Million to eliminate an 'inequitable' benefit that no one was complaining about.

It's also worthy of note that Garcia when addressing the change in benefits... basically pointed to the Fire Fighters contract specifically and was basically saying "we'll let the lawyers fight it out.. you got good lawyers and you negotiated this point specifically... so we'll see how that plays out" -- leaving a door open for maybe some perks continuing there... but for all the other employees it was more a 'policy' decision.

Makes you wonder if the other trade unions had verbiage in their contracts about the district's benefits. But they sure make it sound like the clause was specifically added in this latest FireFighter's union negotiation.

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One note re. the contracts: I found an older contract for the firefighters and it contained the same term re. the Disney benefits as the new contract. I assume RCID had included it in every labour contract because they couldn't guarantee that Disney (a third party) would continue to offer the program to district employees. To me, it still seems pretty shady to cancel them very shortly after you spent months negotiating the contract without mentioning any planned change.
 
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Rich Brownn

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You know who is a piece of cr@p for starting this mess, but if its true TWDC is paying for BOTH sides of the fight, this company has really come off the rails.

Between these useless legal battles, their failing movie business, failing D+, the big Hulu bill pending, This company is throwing away money!!!

How long can they do this?
Since they pay taxes to the district, they have no say in how the funds are distributed. That's part of the issue. Otherwise Disney has to just roll over and let the Gov do what he wants.
 

Disstevefan1

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Since they pay taxes to the district, they have no say in how the funds are distributed. That's part of the issue. Otherwise Disney has to just roll over and let the Gov do what he wants.
Understood. So really its the district that actually suffers when money that should go to support the district operations are going to lawyers. Its truly sad.
 

GrumpyFan

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Not sure if it's intended or not, but it seems like this litigation is drowning the district in legal bills.

I have to wonder if there's any recourse to this. If Disney wins the law suit, and RCID is restored, can they then sue the state and the Governor to recoup the legal fees?
 

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
Not sure if it's intended or not, but it seems like this litigation is drowning the district in legal bills.

I have to wonder if there's any recourse to this. If Disney wins the law suit, and RCID is restored, can they then sue the state and the Governor to recoup the legal fees?
Good point. TWDC has ALL THE MONEY. Maybe it’s the INTENTION of TWDC to drown CFTOD in legal bills to the point the only responsible thing for CFTOD is to give up?

TWDC is rich and powerful enough to be able to do this.

(You know who) really had no idea who he was messing with.

This is going to even more ugly before it’s over.

It’s SO CLEAR why previous administrations LEFT RCID ALONE for the good of everyone!
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Good point. TWDC has ALL THE MONEY. Maybe it’s the INTENTION of TWDC to drown CFTOD in legal bills to the point the only responsible thing for CFTOD is to give up?

TWDC is rich and powerful enough to be able to do this.

(You know who) really had no idea who he was messing with.

This is going to even more ugly before it’s over.

It’s SO CLEAR why previous administrations LEFT RCID ALONE for the good of everyone!
Just stop.
 

DCBaker

Premium Member
The websites for the cities of Lake Buena Vista and Bay Lake will no longer be hosted on rcid.org as of September 5.

The new websites are listed below. It also appears that John Classe is no longer the City Manager for Lake Buena Vista as it is now listed as an open position.

 

flynnibus

Premium Member
The websites for the cities of Lake Buena Vista and Bay Lake will no longer be hosted on rcid.org as of September 5.

The new websites are listed below. It also appears that John Classe is no longer the City Manager for Lake Buena Vista as it is now listed as an open position.

Interesting because previously the cities basically had no staff of their own.. and even with this split of websites, public records requests, etc still point to the shared RCID email.

Will they stop sharing resources with the district too I wonder?
 

Isamar

Well-Known Member
The websites for the cities of Lake Buena Vista and Bay Lake will no longer be hosted on rcid.org as of September 5.

The new websites are listed below. It also appears that John Classe is no longer the City Manager for Lake Buena Vista as it is now listed as an open position.


I think Classe was required to leave the Lake Buena Vista position when his employment with the district ended. The employment contract he signed in May for the "special advisor" position contains a 2-year non-compete clause.
(BTW, Gilzean's contract does not contain such a clause, as far as I can tell.)
 

afterabme

Active Member
Why can’t they host it it the traditional office building?
As someone said, it could be something simple like cos to use the room may have not been available to use for that day. On both websites it shows the main meeting room being the regular meeting room at RCID/CFTOD HQ.
 

Isamar

Well-Known Member
Based on Disney’s last filing in the state lawsuit, the cities might end up as parties too. That possibility, plus the disagreements over the millage rate and who’s paying for police security services, may have contributed to a decision to more clearly separate the public face of the three different bodies?
 

afterabme

Active Member
Based on Disney’s last filing in the state lawsuit, the cities might end up as parties too. That possibility, plus the disagreements over the millage rate and who’s paying for police security services, may have contributed to a decision to more clearly separate the public face of the three different bodies?
That would be interesting if that happened. During the meetings of the cities, they both said they were not reducing their mileage rate and were keeping the police contracts with OCSO, which put them at odds with the CFTOD.

According to WESH,
WESH 2 News has learned the CFTOD has been trying to take control over the off-duty deputy program. The administrator recommended the cities reduce their property tax millage rates and remove the programs from their budgets so that the district could then assume the program.”
 
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Isamar

Well-Known Member
That would be interesting if that happened. During the meetings of the cities, they both said they were not reducing their mileage rate and were keeping the police contracts with OCSO, which put them at odds with the CFTOD.

According to WESH,
WESH 2 News has learned the CFTOD has been trying to take control over the off-duty deputy program. The administrator recommended the cities reduce their property tax millage rates and remove the programs from their budgets so that the district could then assume the program.”

I wonder how long the cities will continue to exist as separate entities?
 

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