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Proof of Vaccination or Negative COVID Test required for theme parks soon?

TP2000

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I don’t see how this mandate is going to be enforced by people at stores, restaurants etc. But if it is, Thousand Oaks and Simi Valley (both Ventura County), Pasadena and Orange County are all a hop, skip and a jump away. I’m sure LA County will love the repercussions on the local economy.

This shows my southern bias, but I often forget about Ventura County. Oops! 😬

And I even had family up in Santa Barbara County that I would visit before they passed. Although Santa Barbara is really the beginning of Central California. But Ventura County is lovely, and I would often stop at that outlet mall near Camarillo and dinner at Lure seafood restaurant going to/from Santa Barbara.

And what is the situation with Pasadena? Are they opting out of the LA County mandates because they have their own health authority?
 

mickEblu

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This shows my southern bias, but I often forget about Ventura County. Oops! 😬

And I even had family up in Santa Barbara County that I would visit often before they passed. Although Santa Barbara is really the beginning of Central California. But Ventura County is lovely, and I would often stop at that outlet mall near Camarillo and dinner at Lure seafood restaurant going to/from Santa Barbara.

And what is the situation with Pasadena? Are they opting out of the LA County mandates because they have their own health authority?

Lure is great isn’t it?! As good as Lure is, it’s all downhill after that sourdough bread and butter. My family and I often go to the Westlake Village location which unfortunately is still in LA County. The next city over however, Thousand Oaks, is part of Ventura County. Ventura County is really beautiful and we love Santa Barbara/ Montecito.

I’m not sure what Pasadena’s situation is but I remember during the pandemic they kind of marched to the beat of their own drum a couple times when LA County was imposing different mandates. So yeah, I think they have their own healthy authority.
 

Dear Prudence

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AN UPDATE: my state record of my vaccinated status has been updated, but I still can't access it. 🙃 I advise all my fellow Californians to check their online status. Good thing I got my lil card lol lol lol
 

Dear Prudence

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This shows my southern bias, but I often forget about Ventura County. Oops! 😬

And I even had family up in Santa Barbara County that I would visit before they passed. Although Santa Barbara is really the beginning of Central California. But Ventura County is lovely, and I would often stop at that outlet mall near Camarillo and dinner at Lure seafood restaurant going to/from Santa Barbara.

And what is the situation with Pasadena? Are they opting out of the LA County mandates because they have their own health authority?
Is their health authority like Berkeley 's? (Not being facetious, I am genuinely asking. )
 

Dear Prudence

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Isn't technology great?
Spectacular. 😂 I had to upload the pics of my vaxx card and ID from my phone twice. Finally accepted it. They sent me a text today telling me it was updated. Then tell me I don't exist in the system..commmmmeeee onnnnnnnnnnnnnn

I don't eat out at restaurants or go to bars or anything, so I never thought about having to show vaccination proof, but potentially showing it to go to Disneyland? That's a whole different story.
 

Bullseye1967

Is that who I am?
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Spectacular. 😂 I had to upload the pics of my vaxx card and ID from my phone twice. Finally accepted it. They sent me a text today telling me it was updated. Then tell me I don't exist in the system..commmmmeeee onnnnnnnnnnnnnn

I don't eat out at restaurants or go to bars or anything, so I never thought about having to show vaccination proof, but potentially showing it to go to Disneyland? That's a whole different story.
Luckily DL will take either
 

TP2000

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Is their health authority like Berkeley 's? (Not being facetious, I am genuinely asking. )

Yes, basically. Pasadena and Long Beach do their own things, with their own city health authorities. Thus, they don't have to go along with whatever LA County's health authority says or recommends.

Long Beach has actually been a success story in getting it's residents, who are often not wealthy white people but rather non-white working class people, vaccinated and tested and cared for. Bravo, Long Beach!

Pasadena is off my radar though, and isn't really a Covid story anyone has been tracking. Likely because it's a highly vaccinated and rather affluent city with no real Covid crisis to speak of.
 
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TP2000

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Spectacular. 😂 I had to upload the pics of my vaxx card and ID from my phone twice. Finally accepted it. They sent me a text today telling me it was updated. Then tell me I don't exist in the system..commmmmeeee onnnnnnnnnnnnnn

I don't eat out at restaurants or go to bars or anything, so I never thought about having to show vaccination proof, but potentially showing it to go to Disneyland? That's a whole different story.

I had the exact same issue with the state vaccination app, and I gave up on it months ago.

I spent several months at the family beach house and left my CDC card at home all summer.

But now I have a photo of my CDC card on my phone, in case anyone thinks they need to see it to allow me access to public accomodations. That hasn't happened yet because I primarily exist in Orange County and San Diego County and no one here cares, but I have the photo on my iPhone just in case.

The only scenario like that I could see playing out in my social world is a bar in Palm Springs later this winter. But only if my signature wink-and-smile at the muscle bound bouncer don't work. ;)
 

MoonRakerSCM

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Yes, basically. Pasadena and Long Beach do their own things, with their own city health authorities. Thus, they don't have to go along with whatever LA County's health authority says or recommends.
The cities of Long Beach and Pasadena have their own Health Departments. Anytime we have a drilling job anywhere in LA county, we have to file well permits with the LA county department of public health. EXCEPT for those two cities where we have to file with their departments. We've had a fair amount of work in Long Beach recently and have gotten to know them a bit. Always helpful and on top of things... the County though, those people are pure scum, the absolute worst of the worst stereotypical government workers.
 

SuddenStorm

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Do they call anyone to report me? The County Sherrif doesn't want to get involved, so who do they call? How far do they go with denying to seat me in the restaurant?

Now let that scenario play out with every shop, mall, barbers, salon, gym, movie theater, etc. in LA County. How does this get enforced? And by whom?

I'm a bit behind on the forum, so I hope this point hasn't been made- but these businesses were closed for months, forced to operate with reduced capacity, restaurants have had to rely on food delivery services which cuts into their margins. The labor market right now is horrible.

So a restaurant owner that is probably just grateful to still be a restaurant owner after this last year is supposed to turn away paying customers? And now the staff are expected to verify this, basically acting as security guards on top of dealing with all the normal difficulties and complaints that come with working in a restaurant.

It's not feasible. It's unrealistic. And it's asinine.
 

Heppenheimer

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@Heppenheimer can I ask, do you speak Spanish? Are you a native Spanish speaker, or did you learn it later? which dialect do you speak if you do?

The reason why I am asking isn't to pick on you, but it helps put this conversation in better context.
I speak English, Dutch and some German, and learned some French that I've mostly forgotten. Like Spanish and unlike English, all of these languages use grammatical gender (which is not completely the same as the concept of "natural gender"), although 90% of Dutch nouns fall under one gender.

The issue isn't releveant to Spanish language use because we're talking about a lone word from Spanish that was adopted into English (Latino) and another that was created for English (Latinx). Although English readily borrow words from other languages, English doesn't adapt the native language's grammar rules that might exist for those words. For example, we don't inflect adjective modifers to match the grammatical gender of all those food-based nouns English has adopted from French (buffet, champagne, filet, soufle, etc.). For borrowed French words that actually have different forms for each gender, we've mostly just used the male form and made it gender-neutral in English (chef, professor, etc.). This would fit with the customary gender-neutral use of the term "Latino",in English, both as a noun and adjective.

I don't speak any Spanish, but I assume in Spanish, "Latino" signifies male gender. If Spanish speakers feel they need a gender-neutral version of this word, then who am I to object? I just don't understand why English needs an awkward, invented word like "Latinx" when the word "Latino'' in common English usage was already gender neutral.

BTW, "Latino" is also occasionally used in Dutch and German as well. It has the same natural gender-neutral connotation as in English, although for grammar purposes its use in Dutch fits with the common gender, and feminine in German.
 
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Dear Prudence

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I speak English, Dutch and some German, and learned some French that I've mostly forgotten. Like Spanish and unlike English, all of these languages use grammatical gender (which is not completely the same as the concept of "natural gender"), although 90% of Dutch nouns fall under one gender.

The issue isn't releveant to Spanish language use because we're talking about a lone word from Spanish that was adopted into English (Latino) and another that was created for English (Latinx). Although English readily borrow words from other languages, English doesn't adapt the native language's grammar rules that might exist for those words. For example, we don't inflect adjective modifers to match the grammatical gender of all those food-based nouns English has adopted from French (buffet, champagne, filet, soufle, etc.). For borrowed French words that actually have different forms for each gender, we've mostly just used the male form and made it gender-neutral in English (chef, professor, etc.). This would fit with the customary gender-neutral use of the term "Latino",in English, both as a noun and adjective.

I don't speak any Spanish, but I assume in Spanish, "Latino" signifies male gender. If Spanish speakers feel they need a gender-neutral version of this word, then who am I to object? I just don't understand why English needs an awkward, invented word like "Latinx" when the word "Latino'' in common English usage was already gender neutral.

BTW, "Latino" is also occasionally used in Dutch and German as well. It has the same natural gender-neutral connotation as in English, although for grammar purposes its use in Dutch fits with the common gender, and feminine in German.
Okay, so you are not a native Spanish speaker, have no culture ties to the Latine population, and are just talking. (I am also very familiar with German gendered language and nouns).
 

Heppenheimer

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Okay, so you are not a native Spanish speaker, have no culture ties to the Latine population, and are just talking. (I am also very familiar with German gendered language and nouns).
Nope, which is why I have no opinion on the use of the term for Spanish speakers. I am, though, a native English speaker, so I would think that should give me reason to have an opinion on the use of my own language. The topic is the use of a particular Spanish loan word in English and the appropriateness of an invented derivation of that word in English. I'm not fundamentally against the word 'Latinx", I just find it awkward and I think it attempts to solve a problem that didn't exist in common use among native English speakers. I likewise don't really care how Russian, Hungarian, Chinese, Spanish or any other language fits a loanword from English into their unique grammar structure and usage.

Having struggled through "der, die und das" and all the case derivates in German, I'm actually glad that English has mostly abandoned grammatical gender. Dutch at least simplified things by making most nouns a "de" word with much fewer being "het".
 
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TP2000

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I just love this thread! :D

But where did the week go, it's already Friday?! Time for the Data Dump of misinformation official data from the California Department of Public Health.

We'll start with Orange County (Disneyland, Knott's Berry Farm), which continues to not have a county mask or vaccine mandate. Case rates and hospitalizations continue to decline. As a point of pride, Orange County has some of the finest hospitals in the nation at its disposal. Right now as I type, President Bill Clinton is recovering in an OC hospital just 2 miles south of Disneyland after an infection not related to Covid, and I wish him well. :)

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OC Case Rates continue the decline begun in mid August this week...

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TP2000

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Now up to our neighbors to the north, Los Angeles County (Universal Studios, Magic Mountain). LA County does have a mask mandate, and just approved a vaccine mandate to access most public accomodations and private businesses.

And like the rest of SoCal and the nation, it's case rates and hospitalization are also declining from the August peak.

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It should be noted that for a graph like this, the LA Daily News combines LA County stats with the stats from the health departments of both Long Beach and Pasadena, as we were discussing above.

LA cases (1).png


 

Parteecia

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Now up to our neighbors to the north, Los Angeles County (Universal Studios, Magic Mountain). LA County does have a mask mandate, and just approved a vaccine mandate to access most public accomodations and private businesses.

And like the rest of SoCal and the nation, it's case rates and hospitalization are also declining from the August peak.

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It should be noted that for a graph like this, the LA Daily News combines LA County stats with the stats from the health departments of both Long Beach and Pasadena, as we were discussing above.

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I'm kind of sorry you didn't include the vaccination rates by community because I found this an interesting explanation:

"... Research on the unvaccinated by KFF [Kaiser Family Foundation] from this September showed the most powerful predictor of who remained unvaccinated was not age, politics, race, income or location, but the lack of health insurance. ..."

 

TP2000

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I'm kind of sorry you didn't include the vaccination rates by community because I found this an interesting explanation:

"... Research on the unvaccinated by KFF [Kaiser Family Foundation] from this September showed the most powerful predictor of who remained unvaccinated was not age, politics, race, income or location, but the lack of health insurance. ..."


That makes no sense. The vaccines are free. Everyone knows they are free. Uber even drives you there for free, and the county will give you a Visa gift card when you get vaccinated. For free.

The Covid vaccine is free for every American. Paid for by President Trump's Operation Warp Speed plan. I walked into a CVS in Del Mar last month and got a free booster shot, no appointment needed and no questions asked. Plus a coupon for $5 off Crest Whitening Strips.

If someone doesn't know that the Covid vaccines are free in 2021, they've got bigger problems than that. :eek:
 

Parteecia

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That makes no sense. The vaccines are free. Everyone knows they are free. Uber even drives you there for free, and the county will give you a Visa gift card when you get vaccinated. For free.

The Covid vaccine is free for every American. Paid for by President Trump's Operation Warp Speed plan. I walked into a CVS in Del Mar last month and got a free booster shot, no appointment needed and no questions asked. Plus a coupon for $5 off Crest Whitening Strips.

If someone doesn't know that the Covid vaccines are free in 2021, they've got bigger problems than that. :eek:
It does make sense. People without regular contact with the healthcare system, in particular a doctor that they trust, are less likely to get their questions answered or the encouragement they may need. More so if they haven't been able to get care for other, possibly more urgent medical issues they may have. They fall entirely outside of healthcare system for everything. How do you trust what has abandoned you?
 

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