I totally agree however there are too few people to enforce. Security cannot be everywhere at once. That is why other need to step in and help.
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Pop Warner problems...again!
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I totally agree however there are too few people to enforce. Security cannot be everywhere at once. That is why other need to step in and help.
True but it should at least have a presence. Personally I would not mind seeing Disney hire a few actual police officers like many other businesses do. Far to many people have the "It's just a rent-a-cop." attitude.
muse1983
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Actually I was away from my parents on dozens of occassions. I use to travel all around the United States going to wrestling tournaments when I was in Highschool and I nor any of my teammates ever disrespected or was abrupt to anyone in our hotel facility. My parents raised me to be respectful and courteous when I was on my own and I did just that. It was not up to my coach and ESPECIALLY not a random adult in the area to babysit me and make sure I wasnt acting like a moron, because there was absolutely no need to nor was there for the rest of the group.
Or you make the group hire off duty police to beef up the existing security force.
I agree that Disney should block off a resort for the group but that unfortunately is not necessarly feasable due to Joe Vacationer wanting to stay there. It is like saying to put the Jones Family Reunion in the east wing of the hotel. That most of the time will not work because Joe A need 2 double beds and Joe B needs a ADA compliant room and Joe C purchased a suite, there are just too many factors to consider.
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
Bad Moms???? Where and when can I catch up for some counselling.
Yes it is up to us as adults, not to 'babysit' them but to say what is right or wrong to them. I was raised the same way as you were probably, as are my children but some children do not know right from wrong or are not taught that from their parents or dont care or some other circumstances of which i do not know of. So what is a person to do let them continue with the rude behavior with out rules or a sense of what is unacceptable, that is kinda why our jails are overflowing, no one wants to take ownership of children except their parents. If you had kids and friends of theirs were over at your house and misbehavin according to your standards would you say something to them or just let it go? If you let it go then you are telling that child that the rules your parents have given them are relavant only to their parents, you are also telling your child that they have to abide by the rules but their friends do not therefore giving them the notion that they can misbehave when they are away from you. Also as humans we have a "gang" mentallity 'in a group we are are strong' or 'if Joe does is so can I'. You must know that these kids with the exception of less than about 10 percent are not of high school age they are in elementary and middle schools.
I was on the high school football and wrestling teams and that daily discipline of school and practice and if you don't make the grade you don't play is all part of teaching a child acceptable vs. unacceptable behavior and that is part of what Pop Warner teaches.
What I am saying is if you see the behavior to stop it when it is occuring and explain why it is unacceptable, and move on. But make sure you report the incident and any information you have. If you just call and tell me that a blond kid just swore at you and later I find and look at a group of 30 kids half of which have blondish hair what am I as Disney supposed to do? Now if you tell me that a blond kid wearing a green hat and a red shirt was swearing at you then I look at the group and he is there we now as Disney have something to go on.
The world will not run the way we want it to if we not not help run it!
It depends on the city the team is located in or the amount of children who particiapte it also depends upon the regulations set by the individual organization. On average I would say no more than 30 players per team (that would be a large team). Now I know nothing of the cheer side of Pop Warner but I would say that just because your football team is going that does not mean that the cheer squad of the same age bracket goes, they compete for the titles as well.
So if you say 82 football teams times 30 players plus 5 coaches and 5 chaperones you have 3280 just with football players. Double that with cheerleaders. So 1500 rooms!
cblodg
Member
forgive me, but then why don't the coaches or chaperons take the responsibility and tell these 'little darlings' what is expected of them and then correct the behavior? All I see are mobs of these girls around the parks and the parent(s) or responsible adults are not with them or are not paying attention. These children are not in my charge, nor should I or anyone else have to inform them of what is publicly acceptable behavior. That is the JOB/RESPONSIBILITY of the chaperons and parents.
And as to that last part, clearly not for some as there is GREAT evidence to the contrary.
WDWmazprty
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I agree, it all starts at home with the parents. But, coaches, teachers, etc. whoever is in charge needs to take responsibilty of their group and know what they're doing. Unfortunately, times have changed and parents and 'people in charge' are more tolerant or either just lazy and don't want to deal with it.
Agreed, those are all part of the 'strangers' even though they are not strangers they need to say something. Most take the job very seriously where others my think of it as a personal vacation.
Unfortunately, we as society have become more tolerant/lazy or scared to do or say something!
Personally, when I speak to kids and I dont do it too often, that are not known to me I kind of wounder what the outcome will be, will they react negatively (verbally or physically) toward me or will the parents who are nearby but I did not know it claim that I am abusing their angel Joey by telling them not to behave in a certain way. But so far things have been fine and nothing more is said or done. I believe the majority of kids yearn for boundries and dicipline. I also believe that if I were to ever be accused of abusing little Joey by correcting their behavior that the parents, the police and even the judge would look at the case and say 'good for you!' to me and 'behave' to the little angel.
I think that the behavior of 1 child is great but when you begin adding multiple personalities and backgrounds and other factors that is when they get loud and obnoxious. As them selves alone they are probably most of the time well manered but it is the 'gang' mentallity that makes it worse on everyone.
I am still looking for that parenting book that explains it all and how to do it properly, if anyone has it I will buy it off of them!
Some days I look at my children and feel this way :brick:but most of the time I feel like this:sohappy:, I love having children it keeps me insane.
worldfanatic
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@ YankeeMouse
I do my research and I've been staying at mods or deluxe because of Pop warner. This year I scheduled my trip to arrive the day the tournament ended. Technically, my issued happened in the wee hours of the 12th and the tounament ended on the 9th.
Furthermore, I'm at a Disney hotel where you would expect better handling of ANY situations like this, not just Pop Warner. It's one thing for kids of this age to be acting up. I player Pop warner and I got to imagine these kids feel like rock stars by playing here and I know how pre-teens are going to act. But to have complete unsupervised chaos at a Disney hotel is actually unexpected.
My mistake or bad planning was assuming that Disney would handle any situation in a timely fashion and that since I got here after the tournament, they would all be gone or in the process of leaving. My past experience with them is that its normally a mass exodus the day it ends since the last day is usually only 2 teams left. Turns out the the last two teams were staying in my wing of my building.
I'll be writing Disney when I get home to complain about it. If enough bad things happen, maybe they will make some real changes. Giving me free stuff doesn't fix the problem.
I do my research and I've been staying at mods or deluxe because of Pop warner. This year I scheduled my trip to arrive the day the tournament ended. Technically, my issued happened in the wee hours of the 12th and the tounament ended on the 9th.
Furthermore, I'm at a Disney hotel where you would expect better handling of ANY situations like this, not just Pop Warner. It's one thing for kids of this age to be acting up. I player Pop warner and I got to imagine these kids feel like rock stars by playing here and I know how pre-teens are going to act. But to have complete unsupervised chaos at a Disney hotel is actually unexpected.
My mistake or bad planning was assuming that Disney would handle any situation in a timely fashion and that since I got here after the tournament, they would all be gone or in the process of leaving. My past experience with them is that its normally a mass exodus the day it ends since the last day is usually only 2 teams left. Turns out the the last two teams were staying in my wing of my building.
I'll be writing Disney when I get home to complain about it. If enough bad things happen, maybe they will make some real changes. Giving me free stuff doesn't fix the problem.
flavious27
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Well pop warner happens every year, disney should have the rooms blocked out, and it will be average rooms.
flavious27
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And you know the firestorm that would happen to disney if they kicked a team out for just breaking a curfew or causing minimal property damage? The same subset of america also thinks that vick has done his time to society.
Considering there was no "firestorm" when Disney did kick out 2 teams a couple of years ago for fighting I doubt there would be one for this. The local media sure tried to create firestorm but the prevailing public opinion was that Disney did the right thing and the teams got what the deserved.
And I think Vick has done his time so I guessed you just proved that the only true blanket statement is "All blanket statements can be proved false."
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
What about duvets?
splashmtnfan
Member
We were at POR Dec 2-11. There were tons of Pop Cheerleaders there. My husband was informed by a Disney staff member at the hotel that this year there were more football teams and cheer squads than ever before. We didn't really have any problems with the cheerleaders. I have been at ASM in years past during Pop week and it was AWFUL. They cheered at all hours of the day and night, on the bus, in the parks, on the rides.... This year we wanted to go during the holidays and when we booked back in March (we received a great offer via email with a PIN) we had no idea Pop was going to be staying at POR. Had I known I would not have chosen that resort. That said, we had no issues with the people from Pop. Other than the fact that I really didn't like my 5 and 7 year old girls seeing how these girls were acting...walking around with short shorts, skimpy tops and no shoes when it was 40 degrees out. There were a few who thought they were something special and the few mothers who thought they were something special too. That was really the only issue I had. We only saw that at night in the lobby and gift shop when we returned to the hotel. When the Pop girls were all together they were well behaved. We never had a whole group on the bus with us at night. The few there were on the bus were with their parents and mostly well behaved. There was one bus trip where one girl kept switching seats while the bus was moving and the driver had to speak to her. The few Pop football players we saw there were very well behaved. Now all that said, if they put them up at POR every year we will not stay there again just because I would be worried about having some issue with them. Better to avoid them all together.
flavious27
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That incident involved three teams, two fights, guests calling to be checked asap, police were called and injured players were sent to a hospital. Oh and one of the teams was still able to play the next day. Any firestorm over that would have been why the teams weren't expelled from competition.
Vick was the leader yet the other three guys charged received sentences 3x as long.
LoriMistress
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I'm so sorry what happened. This is why I avoid going to the parks during Pop Warner. We prefer to stay at a Value resort, and we just stay at Pop. We've stayed at ASMu before, but not during Pop Warner. I would complain to a manager, because it's only a matter of time before they stop catering to Pop Warner.