Opinion: Toy Story Land's grand opening will be a disaster

[Disneyhead'71]

I believe the forum has settled on the weird juxtaposition that if SWL is busy then it will be a disaster.

Essentially if this happens:

Which was considered a success at Universal, it will be considered a failure at WDW, because reasons.

Pictured above: IoA "handling the crowds".

Universal actively tried to NOT let that happen again when Diagon Alley opened. It was an ops nightmare.

Yes, us fans point at as an badge of honor, but it really was a cluster.

 

[larryz]

Why does Tomorrowland not have aliens working along with Pandora?

How do you know there aren't any?

 

[jakeman]

Let me ask, do you worry about "self fulfilling " prophesy?? You know we've (general use) already determined that it will be a bust so that's the mindset before we've even set foot in it.
So basically no matter what happens is going to be an epic fail here.

Yeah, that's pretty much how the forums work. It kind of swirls around until folks find what they perceive as a weak spot, regardless of logic, facts, or past experiences, and then that pony is ridden until the end of time.

Disney is capitalizing on a multigenerational franchise with mass appeal and is getting dragged through the mud because it's going to be massively popular.

Universal capitalized on a multigeneration franchise with mass appeal and was celebrated for their business acumen and success, in many cases by the very same posters that are deriding SWL now.

If there ever was an apples to apples comparison that lays bare the hypocrisy of the boards, it's pretty much the parallels (or willful denial of them) between Potterland and SWL.

SWL will be deemed a failure because it is crowded. That's the hill the forum is choosing to die on with this topic.

 

[geekza]

I think, if done well, Galaxy's Edge will be a massive success. I do wonder what they will do if they ever want to expand it to include more attractions, as the hotel they're going to build will take up a massive amount of space.

I also think that the LARP-ing for rich families will be pretty cool if it turns out to be anything like Jim Hill talked about on his podcast recently. (Yes, I know he tends to hyperbolize and is sometimes very wrong.) I'll never be able to afford to do it, but I've come to terms long ago that there are huge gaps between the haves and have-nots and there will always be things and activities that are reserved only for the very wealthy. It's still a neat idea.

 

[larryz]

SWL will be deemed a failure because it is crowded. That's the hill the forum is choosing to die on with this topic.

The only folks who will consider SWL a failure will be those without FP+ who will have to spend a week* in line to ride anything.

*Used under license from the American Society of Social Hyperbole Officers - Liaison Element Exception #18-21489

 

[Angel Ariel]

That's wonderful.

I guess for me its more that I live in the UK so trips to WDW were few and rare for me. I only went twice when I was a child, and I have virtually no memories of either trips. As I got older, I realised that I would have preferred for my parents to wait until I was at a good age to remember the trips and have them a part of my childhood, especially now as my mum and dad are no longer together, I would have treasured those memories.

It's different for everyone. My brother was old enough to remember, but I wasn't.

I can absolutely understand that in your situation, and in any where it is a rare trip!

Talking about memories, the other reason we’ve taken her at this age is because her grandparents are able to go with us as well. Those are priceless memories for me - to see them having so much fun with their granddaughter - and not something that can be guaranteed when health issues are in play (which they are for both sets of grandparents). I guess, IMO, when you are able to go a bit more frequently (and I am well aware that’s a luxury not all have. We are thankful we do), the child’s memories aren’t the only important ones, kwim?

 

[mousehockey37]

Facts please?? what makes the statement "star wars is going to be an absolute nightmare" true.

So in a thread that's titled "Opinion: Toy Story Lands Grand Opening Will Be A Disaster", I'm getting asked for facts about SWL? Funny.

Please define what you mean by disaster? Low attendance? Poor rides? Poor experience?

I don't think that Disney is ready for the cult-like following of people that will probably be showing up for this "land". DHS isn't going to be able to handle the capacity that this area is going to demand. Look at Pandora. That's nowhere close popularity wise to Star Wars and lines are still very long.

So I'll go with super high crowds (possibility of capacity issues for DHS when this opens), ride quality? Who knows... Pandora is all or nothing with both rides in the same building, so let's hope Disney is learning from that and not repeating itself. Poor experience? Well, that's just going to depend on the person, but I can't imagine that when that area first opens that it will be anything positive.

 

[eliza61nyc]

Truth hurts.

Truth hurts.

So in a thread that's titled "Opinion: Toy Story Lands Grand Opening Will Be A Disaster", I'm getting asked for facts about SWL? Funny.





So I'll go with super high crowds (possibility of capacity issues for DHS when this opens), ride quality? Who knows... Pandora is all or nothing with both rides in the same building, so let's hope Disney is learning from that and not repeating itself. Poor experience? Well, that's just going to depend on the person, but I can't imagine that when that area first opens that it will be anything positive.

my apologies. when you said "truth hurts" that meant something totally different. You said "truth" hurts. so I'm questioning where you got the facts to declare this was the "truth".

You did not say the reason why until just now.

Your last sentence is more correct, "it depends on the person". I do think the mouseworld has an idea, I've been to HS during both soap opera week and star wars weekends. The reality is that HS has a capacity limit and worse case scenario they will have to close it to admittance once capicity hits. no difference IMO than 4th of July at the MK when that park reaches it's peak and has to close for a few hours.

But I guest I have a different definition of disaster. Kilauea errupting in Hawaii and burning homes=disaster.
Crowds on an opening day at a theme park=success.

Only time will tell. I'm back at the world in August and super excited to see TSL

 

[Goofyernmost]

I think it depends on the definition of nightmare. I took it to mean crowded, not that it is a failure as a land, just that they are going to have to rotate people in and out so that people will have room to expand their lungs and get oxygen. There isn't even a seconds concern about it being popular. I don't even care about Star Wars, but, I know that there are a lot of people that live and breath Star Wars. It will be years before the lines calm down. My concern is that at my age I may never live long enough to be able to see it, and I don't care about the franchise enough to stand in line for hours to see it.

 

[TwilightZone]

I believe the forum has settled on the weird juxtaposition that if SWL is busy then it will be a disaster.

Essentially if this happens:

Which was considered a success at Universal, it will be considered a failure at WDW, because reasons.

Pictured above: IoA "handling the crowds".

Let us not forget about opening day soarin' over california.

 

[MisterPenguin]

SW:GE in Disneyland is opening in a park with 80 other attractions...but no parking. Haha.

Which is perhaps for the best. The truly die-hard SW fans will swamp the higher capacity park first.

WDW will be swamped with the leftover WDW-katiebugs complaining about crowdedness because they can't ride the brand new attraction, even though there are three other world class parks they can go to.

 

[George]

I predict that if you were predisposed to view the land as a disaster it will be disaster and if you were predisposed to view the land as a success it will be a success. It is a family land though. The height requirements are designed to ensure that you don't drop your baby.

 

[George]

I agree with this, but more in the sense that I do not understand why someone would spend SO MUCH MONEY on a trip to WDW before a child turns say, 6. Chances are the kid probably won't remember this (we lose most of our memories at 7, and cannot actually form memories until we are about 3 years old) so why not just wait until your child is old enough to remember & old enough to not need babying?

In my case I assume that financial disaster is always around the corner and that at least memory of a feeling that you were fantastically spoiled at some point will maintain the child well into adulthood. Heck, we took the boy to Japan when he was a fetus and we still count that.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

I have heard VERY few people saying the land (SW:GE) itself would be a failure. Just the Grand Opening is guaranteed to be a cluster F.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I have heard VERY few people saying the land (SW:GE) itself would be a failure. Just the Grand Opening is guaranteed to be a cluster F.

New tier of rides confirmed: F-Ticket!

 

[eliza61nyc]

I have heard VERY few people saying the land (SW:GE) itself would be a failure. Just the Grand Opening is guaranteed to be a cluster F.

lol, which I find very weird since EVERY new attraction opening day has been a cluster F. do folks not remember Pandora. sheesh, I went on that ride as park of the dvc early admission when it was supposed to be just dvc members and it was mobbed and the original post does go into how bad the rides are.

were there all these post bemoaning pandora land before it opened??

 

[Disneyhead'71]

lol, which I find very weird since EVERY new attraction opening day has been a cluster F. do folks not remember Pandora. sheesh, I went on that ride as park of the dvc early admission when it was supposed to be just dvc members and it was mobbed and the original post does go into how bad the rides are.

were there all these post bemoaning pandora land before it opened??

To answer your last question. Not about the Grand Opening because Avatar doesn't have nearly the size of fan base as Star Wars

Avatar did have a lot of negative chatter for years before if opened.

 

[wdisney9000]

were there all these post bemoaning pandora land before it opened??

There were definitely a lot of people who were bashing Pandora before it opened. Some still do. To each their own, but I very much like it. Even Navi River Journey has grown on me after I rode it a few times.

 

[wdisney9000]

SWL will be deemed a failure because it is crowded. That's the hill the forum is choosing to die on with this topic.

Dont forget the hard core fans who will undoubtedly find the most infinitesimal disruption in the linear timeline of the land vs the Star Wars movies and deem it a disaster.

 

[Daddyoh]

This is my take,or leave it, I'm a kid again when it comes to visiting Disney. I'm in my 60's DVC member and can be "cranky" at times, but not mostly here. I do like rides but not the real adventurer type and absolutely not something that inverts me. I just can't wait for our Toy Story Land visit come our next visit. Call me and "Old Fart" a "nerd" or whatever, just don't think that this will be "dull" for us older kids.