mmascolino
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The simplest solution I would think for the spacing would be to send a cabin from the main loop into static load area when the static load cabin was ready to rejoin the main loop.
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Assuming it's just 1 cable, in your picture does that mean the cable side going Boardwalk-->Riviera-->CBR wraps around 2 wheels so it can make the inside turn? And the cable side going CBR-->Riviera-->Boardwalk just needs 2 wheels to bump up against, since its just deflecting around them?
I'm assuming you drew the lines the way you did for a reason. Trying to understand how it makes the corner.
I'm guessing just 1 cable too, easier for lots of things in general.
pdude81
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I only said that because the comment before was discussing that diagram with the rope winding around. The end stations can more easily do extra loops because of the single wheel. One haul rope is possible but would be a slightly different diagram I think
Once, it's in the station, there's no connection between the haul rope and the cars. They can each do whatever independently. As soon as a car enters a station on the haul rope, it immediately detaches. For the rest of the cars trip through the station, it's rolling on wheels next to it's hooks on a track in the ceiling with propulsion provided by tires spinning above that track pushing it along. As the car exits the station, it reattaches to the rope.
The rope, once it's no longer holding a car, can take whatever path it wants around any number of pulleys, bull wheels, drive motors, guides, tensioners, whatever else it needs to pass through and around as it makes it's way towards the exit. As the rope exits the station, cars will reattach and the rope path after that is restricted to paths that support a car being attached.
The mid stations is really just 2 end stations back to back. All the same rules apply. The rope can do whatever it wants in the station to get to the exit. The cars are on their track and not the rope for the entire journey through the mid station.
mikejs78
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Because the sightlines of the Eiffel Tower are so pristine now, it would be a shame to ruin them by putting something in the background.....
pdude81
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Yes, I get that. I was talking about a specific diagram that looked like it had 2 wheels and either 1 or 3 ropes. All sorts of things could be added
The irony of that picture is that from that zoom-angle across the lagoon is that if you did remove the Swan from the background... the Eiffel Tower would look awful.
There is no forced perspective from being this far away. You can see the base of the ET and it looks like it is literally sitting on a roof rather than being miles in the distance. If it was the actual tower miles in the distance, these nearby buildings would completely block the view of the base, but since they don't.... The Swan is being helpful by being a distraction.
Lensman
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The Quicksilver Super6 double-loading detachable lift at Breckenridge splits chairs between the inside turnaround and the outside turnaround at a 1:1 ratio - every other chair goes to each loading area. They could solve the problem you describe with a static ratio of say 1:3 or even higher like 1:7. With a 1:7 ratio, 1 in every 8 gondolas would go to the outside special needs turnaround while the remaining 7 would use the inside turnaround. And the open spots from gondolas diverted to the outside track would be replaced by gondolas coming in from the outside track that had been diverted a bit earlier.
The ratio determines how much slower the outside track can be run. In the Quicksilver Super6 case the outside track runs at the same speed as the inside track. At a 1:7 ratio the Disney outside track could run 7 times as slow and give you 7 times as much time to unload or load. And I imagine that it can use this extra time to provide static loading areas rather than actually just have the cabins creep along slowly, though either might work. I just think that with static loading you'll get less incidental bumping of the gondolas by bad ECV drivers. In my mind you'd ideally clamp the ECV down to a pallet and autoload it onto the gondola like freight, but that's just because I've seen my aunt drive her ECV haphazardly at WDW. She would need a practice area with a model gondola before I'd trust her to not whack into the sides of the gondola even if it were static. I'm surprised more people aren't run over by ECVs at the parks.
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Add a car, 1 to your example. Car 1 is already in the special load area, just sitting there.
When car C is pulled off the line into the secondary path, car 1 is injected into the gap that was just created. Exiting the station will be A,B,1,D,E and F.
When car C is ready to go back on after F, car G will be pulled off the main line into the secondary path creating a space for car C to go into. The line will now have A,B,1,D,E,F,C and car G in secondary path.
I would assume that the secondary path can hold more than 1 car, and that sending stations will need to clear that receiving stations are able to perform a swap. That should be relatively simple communication between stations. The only concern would be if you have someone in the middle of loading and are unable to inject a car from the secondary back to fill the gap by a car coming off. Procedures and communication should stop this from ever happening. If someone is being sent, simply don't allow anyone to start loading and if someone is in the act of loading, don't allow anyone to be sent, make them wait.
Now you can take as long as you want to load/unload without a care in the world, other than making someone else who needs the special loading wait. Exactly the same way the busses work.
It's really only some ECV's or some wheelchair that may need this. Basically, if you have more dexterity than a box of cargo, you shouldn't need it. If you do, the max wait time, is the full transit time of someone who is already on the line you need to wait for before you can start loading. That's probably still less time than loading one on a bus takes.
I'm hoping LiftBlog can add the rope path. It took me a few minutes, but I can see how 1 rope going in each direction could navigate the set of wheels in 2 stacks to create the path shown. The turn in one direction is definitely simpler to figure out than the inside turn.
lazyboy97o
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Flip your Disney's Hollywood Studios and Pop! Century/Art of Animation queue. This places discharge for the north-south lines along the edge of the building, with all three queue entrances on the interior, and places Disney's Hollywood Studios loading on the side from which guests are approaching. Pop! Century and Art of Animation are also a very large complex and that line is the shortest, which would create the need for a larger queue than the other two.
Lift Blog
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Here's a one rope scenario that requires only three bullwheels at slightly different heights.
Minthorne
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I saw it in person last week many times and I’m 99.9% sure it is green. From every angle in every light.
_caleb
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PS: I suggested a year ago they would pull cars off the main travel path for a stationary loading, working out the capacity issues on that extra area along with swapping the cars in and out of the main travel path, and communication issues so they don't run out of space. After all, even a slow special needs loader doesn't have any worse mobility than a box of supplies does on it's own. This was followed by a series of replies that they were not doing it, it wasn't possible, and required stopping the line to accomplish (which would defeat the purpose).
I can relate. It took some of the fun out of the conversation for me when I mentioned the same thing and was shut down. Hope you feel vindicated now. I'm sure nobody meant anything by it. We're all learning together about what Disney is doing, and sometimes none of us knows! I'm glad you're still participating.
I just have to question why they'd paint one tower out of the many they're putting up.
pdude81
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Goofyernmost
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If that is what they are doing, it would seem to me that it would only be needed where an in park sight line might be affected. It doesn't matter in a parking lot or running through a strip of forest or open land.
rocketraccoon
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So about the sight lines with the Eiffel Tower, there's only two real places in the park that you'd be able to see the gondola tower. This view is from near the beginning of the Mexico pavilion:
And from the bridge right outside of the France pavilion:
Mind you that if you go a little bit closer, it's hidden behind the buildings:
You might be able to see it from the Norway pavilion too, forgot to check.
Even including that, the yellow areas below should be the only places you will ever see that gondola tower, and the ones across the lagoon can be covered up pretty easily:
And from the bridge right outside of the France pavilion:
Mind you that if you go a little bit closer, it's hidden behind the buildings:
You might be able to see it from the Norway pavilion too, forgot to check.
Even including that, the yellow areas below should be the only places you will ever see that gondola tower, and the ones across the lagoon can be covered up pretty easily:
FigmentForver96
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It really isn't that intruding to the area. It was certainly not as bad I as I imagined it would be.So about the sight lines with the Eiffel Tower, there's only two real places in the park that you'd be able to see the gondola tower. This view is from near the beginning of the Mexico pavilion:
And from the bridge right outside of the France pavilion:
Mind you that if you go a little bit closer, it's hidden behind the buildings:
You might be able to see it from the Norway pavilion too, forgot to check.
Even including that, the yellow areas below should be the only places you will ever see that gondola tower, and the ones across the lagoon can be covered up pretty easily: