News New Gondola Transportation - Disney Skyliner - Every Possible What If ....? Has Been Discussed.

Flalex72

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For anyone curious, there are 111 gondolas currently operating in North America in a variety of places - mostly at ski resorts but also zoos, theme parks, adventure parks and cities.


Sure, it's possible but I can't see cabins splitting onto multiple lines being very feasible. The merging back together is even tougher. Especially when high capacity requirements mandate very tight spacing. The switches you speak of are normally only used when parking or launching cabins.
I doubt it would happen, I just don't want people to think that things are impossible. We're seeing a growing trend of these systems being proposed for urban transport, and a system of allowing carriers to switch lines in real time would be a selling point for a large urban system. A manufacturer could use this system as a technology demonstrator, to show how flexible things are if nothing else.
 

Kamikaze

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I doubt it would happen, I just don't want people to think that things are impossible. We're seeing a growing trend of these systems being proposed for urban transport, and a system of allowing carriers to switch lines in real time would be a selling point for a large urban system. A manufacturer could use this system as a technology demonstrator, to show how flexible things are if nothing else.
Urban transport is going to be fixed point to fixed point. No track switches, etc. Can you imagine trying to explain a switching system to someone who has never been on it before? This system is going to be separate lines with transfers. Just drop the rest - there is no reason to discuss things that are not going to happen. (Same as 'they should do monorail instead')
 

SLUSHIE

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Breckenridge has a chairlift that splits every other chair to a second loading area and from what I hear it is interesting to maintain and has not been tried again.
I was going to mention this, and I agree about the merging back in thing. With these systems, when they come off the line they don't stop, and they merge back in where they came from.

The chair at Breckenridge is pretty interesting, and I've ridden it a few times but its just a kiddie chair so it's not very appealing to me to ride on it other than how unique the loading station is. I didn't ride it when I was there earlier this winter. A lot of the newer 6 person chairs now have conveyor systems to help people load faster, which I assume is a lot cheaper and possibly just as efficient (though my mom absolutely hates them). Many other 6 person chair, like ones at Heavenly, Northstar and a few others at Breck don't have any weird loading apparatuses at all.

A system where a cabin could come off and people would be able to load at their leisure just ins't very feasible. But actually now that I think about it, while I'm not sure its ever been done, they could potentially include a parallel conveyor to help with loading similar to how they do on some attractions like Haunted Mansion.
 

marni1971

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Is something similar to the Roosevelt Island Tramway in NYC what we could expect?
Here's a very very very very rough idea of what to expect, from Alton Towers theme park here in the U.K. It's a transit system to get around 3 places in the park. At 3:30 you'll see a mid course turn station where you can also alight and board.


This isn't meant to give an example of height of cable, length of runs, amount of gondolas, style of gondolas (though I believe it's pretty close) or choice of lightbulb in the station roof. The valley crossing isn't really happening either.
 
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PorterRedkey

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Here's very very very very rough idea of what to expect, from Alton Towers theme park here in the U.K. It's a transit system to get around 3 places in the park. At 3:30 you'll see a mid course turn station where you can also alight and board.


This isn't meant to give an example of height of cable, length of runs, style of gondolas (though I believe it's pretty close) or choice of lightbulb in the station roof. The valley crossing isn't really happening either.
That video makes everything clearer to me. Thanks!
 

Disney-Trains

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Urban transport is going to be fixed point to fixed point. No track switches, etc. Can you imagine trying to explain a switching system to someone who has never been on it before? This system is going to be separate lines with transfers. Just drop the rest - there is no reason to discuss things that are not going to happen. (Same as 'they should do monorail instead')
Please don't tell me what I can or can't discuss on a "discussion" forum. The idea of switches is totally relevant and on topic.

I think switches and automation would allow further expansion and more of a "complete" system in the future. But it would obviously cost more.

It does sound like we are getting point to point systems with transfers.
 

Kamikaze

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Please don't tell me what I can or can't discuss on a "discussion" forum. The idea of switches is totally relevant and on topic.

I think switches and automation would allow further expansion and more of a "complete" system in the future. But it would obviously cost more.

It does sound like we are getting point to point systems with transfers.
You're right, we should just discuss everything that's not going to happen! They are going to run a line from DHS direct to DCA! If you ride the gondola, you should get 100 FastPasses for Peter Pans Flight because that's a suspended track too! They should run a system where I say 'Computer: take me to (destination)' when I board and it takes me there, no matter if it's on the system or not!

Just because you and one other person have a fascination with some sort of insane track switching system which will confuse everyone doesn't make it plausible or feasible. Martin has now said multiple times it's going to include transfers and separate lines.

A discussion forum doesn't create an excuse of talking about things that aren't going to happen. If you want to create a 'What if' or 'What they should do' thread in the General Discussion forum, knock yourself out. But it isn't relevant to this thread because it won't be part of this system. In fact, bringing up those things can only cause confusion because people that skim the thread might read your posts and think that switching is planned.
 

Disney-Trains

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I'm not arguing with Martin, I Beleive that he is correct when he says the current plan is all Point to point.

How on earth would switching be confusing? It would be fully automated and there would be seperate Q's for each destination. It seems less confusing than a transfer to me.
 

Maeryk

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Except for issues with the gondolas running I can't see them continuing to run buses to CBR, Pop or AoA for EPCOT or DHS. Similar to how the monorail resorts don't run buses to MK or EPCOT and BC/YC doesn't have a bus to DHS. I'm pretty sure the gondolas will have to accommodate ECVs just like boats and the monorail.
Poly runs busses to Epcot, Can't speak for the other two, but we were waiting for it two weeks ago.

Especially for EMH openings when the monorails aren't running yet.
 

GoofGoof

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Poly runs busses to Epcot, Can't speak for the other two, but we were waiting for it two weeks ago.

Especially for EMH openings when the monorails aren't running yet.
My understanding is they only run buses to EPCOT when the monorail is not running. If the resort monorail is down they run a bus directly from the resorts. If the EPCOT monorail is down then you take the monorail to TTC and then get a bus to EPCOT from there.
 

donaldtoo

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Here's a very very very very rough idea of what to expect, from Alton Towers theme park here in the U.K. It's a transit system to get around 3 places in the park. At 3:30 you'll see a mid course turn station where you can also alight and board.


This isn't meant to give an example of height of cable, length of runs, amount of gondolas, style of gondolas (though I believe it's pretty close) or choice of lightbulb in the station roof. The valley crossing isn't really happening either.
This actually makes a lot of sense, since the route the first post in this thread showed would be beyond rediculous money for a monorail extension (or any kind of raised reinforced concrete on-rail system, for that matter). Plus, relating it to the old Skyway, it would kinda' bring back something a bit nostalgic for us older WDW veterans, and something new and cool for the youngsters/ newbies. :)
 
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