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News New Gondola Transportation - Disney Skyliner - Every Possible What If ....? Has Been Discussed.

mmascari

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As @GlacierGlacier mentioned the bullwheel is now covered, so the cable is as well. If these panels are not removed for cable installation then they'd have to go around and above the concrete pylon to put the cable on the bullwheel through the current opening. The alternative would be to pull in one end through the opening near one of the converging rails (blue scenario below).

The first pic shows you where the bullwheel is located w.r.t. to the pylons. I drew the bullwheel in red on the second pic, along with where the cable will end up (green), and the open access that's left now as far as I can tell (yellow). To get from yellow to green without removing the panels seems complicated because of all the components under the roof and the concrete pylon. The other option would be to pull one end of the cable in following the blue arrow, and then laying it in place from above.
To my untrained eye both the yellow and blue scenarios appear more complicated than laying the cable on the ground the way it's suppose to go in and then lifting it to where it needs to be, but the bottom covers are now preventing that. View attachment 293327View attachment 293328

I assume they pull it through like threading a needle. There are probably guides above and below that prevent lifting an entire loop all at once and then tightening. Threading it like a needle through the normal path eliminates any of those concerns, sine you just have one end.

I’m more fascinated by how they join the two ends to create a loop. I’ve never noticed any special spots on lift ropes before. It’s probably not obvious though.


I wonder if these drawing indicate the direction will be clockwise. Based on the paths for loading and unloading in the stations.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
I assume they pull it through like threading a needle. There are probably guides above and below that prevent lifting an entire loop all at once and then tightening. Threading it like a needle through the normal path eliminates any of those concerns, sine you just have one end.

I’m more fascinated by how they join the two ends to create a loop. I’ve never noticed any special spots on lift ropes before. It’s probably not obvious though.

I wonder if these drawing indicate the direction will be clockwise. Based on the paths for loading and unloading in the stations.

 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I wonder if these drawing indicate the direction will be clockwise. Based on the paths for loading and unloading in the stations.
Interesting question. For IG it looks like maybe counter-clockwise. Unload on the left rope after entering the station and the smaller, straight path is the exit. The longer curving path to the left is the entrance queue. That looks like it could wind through the building and allow loading on the right rope exiting the building.
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For DHS it is harder to tell. The one picture looks like people lining up next to the left rope, but that could just be artistic license. The drawing looks similar to the IG concept with the queue wrapping through the building to load on the other side.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I'm not one to question WDW's planning process, but I wonder if they know there's a tower literally in the middle of the road? If they overlooked this, it's no surprise about the sight line issues in France.


*Yes, I know this is concept art and not a 1/1 representation of the final product*
This picture looks like they solved it. The curb looks like it’s expanded out and the road widened a little.
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mmascari

Well-Known Member
Interesting question. For IG it looks like maybe counter-clockwise. Unload on the left rope after entering the station and the smaller, straight path is the exit. The longer curving path to the left is the entrance queue. That looks like it could wind through the building and allow loading on the right rope exiting the building.
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For DHS it is harder to tell. The one picture looks like people lining up next to the left rope, but that could just be artistic license. The drawing looks similar to the IG concept with the queue wrapping through the building to load on the other side.

Isn’t that clockwise then? When viewed from above, looking down.

Agree the straight path is clearly an exit. While the left one has room to queue if there is a rush.
 

peter11435

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This picture looks like they solved it. The curb looks like it’s expanded out and the road widened a little.
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The road will disappear. In both cases the art is only accurate regarding the station and gondolas themeselves. Everything else is directly pulled from satellite imagery or photographs and do not reflect changes that will come as part of other projects.
 

cosmicgirl

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First of all the cable is explosed through the slot. You can access it with a ladder that is tall enough. Second, notice the stairs in your photo. A worker climbs the stairs and can get to everything.

My question remains. Why is anything more complicated with the decorative panels on?
The cable follows the slot only partially, as it converges towards the bullwheel. The slot follows the track the cabin brackets are on, not the cable.
Based on this picture installing the cable from the maintenance platform does not appear to be that simple. From below you have easy access, though. Without the covers, that is.
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I'm not one to question WDW's planning process, but I wonder if they know there's a tower literally in the middle of the road? If they overlooked this, it's no surprise about the sight line issues in France.
*Yes, I know this is concept art and not a 1/1 representation of the final product*
It's a Google Maps overlay. They're working on a whole new bus area, so the road will likely be no more.

ETA: I just found the video below. They'll still have to get the thinner cable up there, but it's pretty cool to see how the big one is pulled in. You can also see how they do the splice.
 
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GoofGoof

Premium Member
Isn’t that clockwise then? When viewed from above, looking down.

Agree the straight path is clearly an exit. While the left one has room to queue if there is a rush.
Yes, I had it backwards. It is clockwise. The DHS one is a little less clear to me since it could follow the same logic or if you look at the art with people in it it looks like they are lining up on the opposite side.

Does anyone know if they have to all flow the same direction? Since DHS to CBR is an independent line I would assume it could work either way but might be more confusing for guests if they all don’t load the same way.
 

UKDisney Dave

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The way they splice the two ends together is both the coolest and the scariest thing ever!! Who new the ends of the two cables just kind of disappear inside each other! Amazing craftsmanship!
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I’m more fascinated by how they join the two ends to create a loop. I’ve never noticed any special spots on lift ropes before. It’s probably not obvious though.

You guys are way over thinking this... the cable area is exposed (else the cabins couldn't reach it!) and the entire thing is accessible from above. You feed lead lines through, and pull the larger cable through.

Re: the cable... a splicing video was posted earlier in the thread. They weave the cable into a single cable.
 

Lift Blog

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They won’t have to remove any panels for rope pulling. I’m pretty sure a guy just crawls through the station pulling the sand line along the way and placing it on the various wheels.

I think the ropes will be manufactured by Fatzer, considered to be the world leader based in Switzerland. The master splicers that come in after rope pulling are typically independent contractors that work with multiple lift and wire rope manufacturers.

Look for big blue spools. I’d think they will arrive soon via ship then truck.
 

Bairstow

Well-Known Member
They won’t have to remove any panels for rope pulling. I’m pretty sure a guy just crawls through the station pulling the sand line along the way and placing it on the various wheels.

I think the ropes will be manufactured by Fatzer, considered to be the world leader based in Switzerland. The master splicers that come in after rope pulling are typically independent contractors that work with multiple lift and wire rope manufacturers.

Look for big blue spools. I’d think they will arrive soon via ship then truck.

Does anyone recognize this music?
It sounds a LOT like the stuff Russell Brower wrote for the original Animal Kingdom soundtrack.


 

DisneyCane

Well-Known Member
They won’t have to remove any panels for rope pulling. I’m pretty sure a guy just crawls through the station pulling the sand line along the way and placing it on the various wheels.

I think the ropes will be manufactured by Fatzer, considered to be the world leader based in Switzerland. The master splicers that come in after rope pulling are typically independent contractors that work with multiple lift and wire rope manufacturers.

Look for big blue spools. I’d think they will arrive soon via ship then truck.

^This. They don't have a bunch of people throw the cable on their shoulders and climb up with it. I think Doppelmayr knows how to build lift stations. If there was a reason to leave off the cover panels, they'd tell Disney's contractors.
 

danlb_2000

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Original Poster
^This. They don't have a bunch of people throw the cable on their shoulders and climb up with it. I think Doppelmayr knows how to build lift stations. If there was a reason to leave off the cover panels, they'd tell Disney's contractors.

Nobody was implying that the contractors don't know what they were doing, they were just making an observation as to how things are being assembled.
 

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