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WDW95

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And the dock that you have on the map is right where all the fireworks are stored.

So whenever they were loading the barges for Illuminations each night, all boats would have had to stop running, even if it was deemed safe to transport large numbers of people through the storage depot at other times.
Obviously this is a quick sketch and things would have had to been figured out logistically. The dock could have been placed anywhere. There's easily a way to separate passenger boat traffic and fireworks traffic. Obviously there would have been separation established.

I doubt Disney would have let that hinder this plan.
 

peter11435

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I do believe so. I'm sure the gondola supports have to be driven deeply into the ground to withstand wind load. 5 new gondola stations and the "turning points" are sure to cost a lot of money.

The canals in comparison would be pretty simple - Disney recently dug the huge new retention pound across from DHS by World Drive and Osceola Parkway - the canals required for these boats would have been a much smaller project. There is a long history of Disney creating waterways across the Florida property.
If your plan would have been cheaper and easier we would see it being constructed currently.

Your plan includes major changes to stormwater runoff and environmental considerarions. These would all have to be mitigated. Consider all of the utilities that currently run through the areas you would be digging. All would need rerouted. Data, power, water, sewage.. You wouldn’t need gondola stations but you would need boat docks. 4 bridges including 3 that are major roadways. Then you have the boats. Each of which would need at least one cast member to operate.
 

Movielover

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I was wondering if anyone had any theories as to why Disney didn't just expand the canal system but instead went for the Skyliner?

It seems as if boat transportation would have been a cheaper alternative and would have been relatively easier to construct than the Skyliner. I bet they could have come up with faster, higher capacity boats that the watercraft they use now. Just seems like a proposal like the one in the attached map would have been the favored option. Thoughts?
I like your thinking, however I think there are several factors that you might not be taking into account that would drive the price of that plan up.

This is totally not the same as just digging a retention pond. There are major infrastructures that would have to be altered in order for this to work. 3 major roads and 2 resort roads would have to be closed and bridges built. there are 2 separate canals that would have to be reconstructed due to their height difference to the new transport canal.

Finally this area,
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would need a 100% reconstruction including a totally new backstage dock.

Then you have to account the logistical aspect, their is just no way they could load and launch enough boats to match the capacity of the Skyliner.

Again great idea but it would not be a extremely cheaper alternative to the Skyliner
 

MisterPenguin

Rumormonger
Premium Member
The water route solution would require building 7 new roadway bridges and two water bridges (like the one near the IG).

And speaking of water bridges... the lakes of Epcot-DHS are elevated as opposed to the low lying drainage canals. That's why the ferry by the IG gate has to have a water bridge that crosses over a canal and roadway. This means the path from CBR to DHS is problematic. It's low lying marsh. You'd have to build levees to contains the water route in that area unless you want to go the lock and canal method.

Also, there is no longer access to the lake in front of DHS which touches undeveloped land. It is now landlocked by parking lots.

Engineering wise, gondolas are much easier. Not to mention they are all electric and WDW is throwing up a huge solar farm... a lot less greenhouse gasses.
 

mm121

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I was wondering if anyone had any theories as to why Disney didn't just expand the canal system but instead went for the Skyliner?

It seems as if boat transportation would have been a cheaper alternative and would have been relatively easier to construct than the Skyliner. I bet they could have come up with faster, higher capacity boats that the watercraft they use now. Just seems like a proposal like the one in the attached map would have been the favored option. Thoughts?View attachment 266910
while on the surface this would have been kinda cool, its not practical

1) this would most definitely NOT be cheaper than the skyliner
2)modifying waterways requires ALOT more red tape with water management etc than getting construction permits
3) doesnt provide nearly the capacity or the speed desired.
4) the canals and aoa/pop lake are at a different water level than the epcot/dhs system

5) NO ONE BOOKS ROOMS BASED ON THE NOVELTY OF SLOW BOATS, the skyliner at least at first will seem new and novel so thus works must better for marketing that saying "hey we just spent millions to add a slow boat to your hotel"

6) the boats with their limited capacity are cast hours heavy unlike the skyliner that will only require staff at the stations for much higher capacity.
7) boats are lots of maintenance and burn lots of fuel unlike the all electric skyliner (except for possibly some kind of fuel powered backup generator)
8) in order to use this system guest would be required to have an epcot ticket as it dumps them INSIDE the park vs the skyliner that dumps at the international gateway where people can go to a resort to catch a bus,
 

marni1971

WDW History nut
Premium Member
I was wondering if anyone had any theories as to why Disney didn't just expand the canal system but instead went for the Skyliner?

It seems as if boat transportation would have been a cheaper alternative and would have been relatively easier to construct than the Skyliner. I bet they could have come up with faster, higher capacity boats that the watercraft they use now. Just seems like a proposal like the one in the attached map would have been the favored option. Thoughts?
Gondola was deemed cheaper to run long term.
 
I like it. It's cool and distinctive, but not cool enough to ruin the appeal of the monorails. The hotels getting coverage should be able to scale up thousands of rooms and this will make them that much more attractive. This will allow Disney to properly compete with mid tier Universal Hotels. This particular amenity is great and unusual.

With that said, International Gateway may need to be looked at depending on the scale of the system. If it connects with Art of Animation/Pop it may need a redesign just for capacity.

This is a much better way to get to the parks.

Edit: Disney has also been on a green push. This would reduce their carbon emissions by moving more to electric transportation. RCID already is nuclear and solar heavy as I recall, so this would fit into the plan.
Not real happy with the International Gateway stop. That was a semi-exclusive entrance / exit to pretty exclusive resorts. These folks are not going to appreciate the mobs of cheerleaders, dancers, etc. coming from economy resorts and clogging up the process. And once again, to hell with sight lines. This isn’t going to be pretty. Just got back from WDW and the place is a mess. And these lines will destroy some views for those awesome pictures we all like to take. Each gondola only holds 8. How much is this really going to help bring the mobs into the already overcrowded parks? It would have been much better to just expand the monorail.
 

cosmicgirl

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Not real happy with the International Gateway stop. That was a semi-exclusive entrance / exit to pretty exclusive resorts. These folks are not going to appreciate the mobs of cheerleaders, dancers, etc. coming from economy resorts and clogging up the process. And once again, to hell with sight lines. This isn’t going to be pretty. Just got back from WDW and the place is a mess. And these lines will destroy some views for those awesome pictures we all like to take. Each gondola only holds 8. How much is this really going to help bring the mobs into the already overcrowded parks? It would have been much better to just expand the monorail.
So you're opposed to "economy people" using a business class entrance, but not opposed to them using the first class monorail...?
And here I was thinking the Titanic sank in 1912.
 

danlb_2000

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Not real happy with the International Gateway stop. That was a semi-exclusive entrance / exit to pretty exclusive resorts. These folks are not going to appreciate the mobs of cheerleaders, dancers, etc. coming from economy resorts and clogging up the process. And once again, to hell with sight lines. This isn’t going to be pretty. Just got back from WDW and the place is a mess. And these lines will destroy some views for those awesome pictures we all like to take. Each gondola only holds 8. How much is this really going to help bring the mobs into the already overcrowded parks? It would have been much better to just expand the monorail.
4000-5000 guests per hour in each direction on each line will do a lot.
 
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