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News New Gondola Transportation - Disney Skyliner - Every Possible What If ....? Has Been Discussed.

flynnibus

Well-Known Member
I (and maybe someone else) said Tesla. Tesla batteries are super capacitor technology.
No they aren't. They are lithium ion.

You'll note I mentioned combining three different methods of power delivery. Method #1, solar could provide enough power to sustain a circuit that could power a low speed fan, and any additional power could be diverted to the rest of the system. Method #2, power from movement. Like the alternator in your car, it's plenty of energy to power a cell and the AC in your car,
Have you paid attention to how fast that alternator in your car is being spun? You do know the gondolas are not moving relative to the rope right? How is this free energy movement being picked up?
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
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Just for the record I never said it wasn't possible to add AC to the gondolas. It definitely is. They had reasons that led them to not go with that option. We don't know exactly why, but I'm sure both cost and reliability factored in pretty heavily. I'm actually surprised Disney didn't try to get a corporate sponsor in the energy industry to foot part of the bill and provide expertise but I also think time was a factor. They want this up and running before SW Land opens. New technology tends to have delays.

Speaking of the patent @larryz posted, there's a company in CA that uses ice for cooling on an industrial scale. The units freeze water overnight and then during the peak hours when power prices spike they use the ice to produce cool air which supplements the buildings standard AC systems. It's a pretty cool technology. The units they have are rather large and only last about 6 hours but they are used in large industrial and office buildings. Not sure if they would translate to smaller scale units for gondolas. Here's a picture of one of the units and a link to the company's site:
http://iceenergy.wpengine.com/grid/#how
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Each morning load up each gondola with a block of ice.

Even before my time, that's how refrigerators worked. Ice cart delivery. Big ol' block of ice in the top compartment.

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flynnibus

Well-Known Member
... and just because something is patented doesn't mean it's practical. The patent looks interesting but it's unclear how long the ice would last and what mechanism would be needed to re-load the car with new ice.
It's a great example of some of the stupidity that somehow gets through the patent system. The "invention" isn't new or novel... it's basically an icebox cooler and a mister with nothing new or novel added. Both prior art.
 

cspencer96

Well-Known Member
I (and maybe someone else) said Tesla. Tesla batteries are super capacitor technology. You'll note I mentioned combining three different methods of power delivery. Method #1, solar could provide enough power to sustain a circuit that could power a low speed fan, and any additional power could be diverted to the rest of the system. Method #2, power from movement. Like the alternator in your car, it's plenty of energy to power a cell and the AC in your car, any extra energy could be diverted to charging a battery to run the unit when it's stopped/raining or maybe LED lights. Method #3, dock charging. Any time it's not in motion in a bay it could be charging or running AC in a higher power mode.

All three methods of power delivery could be combined using technology and a bit of smart switching/regulation/diversion to make sure it's never sending more power to any cell or device than expected when combined.

There are have been a few breakthroughs in non-alternating current powered air conditioning in the last 5-10 years.

These same methods could be used in new monorail cars to keep the AC on when they stop moving too, but I digress.

I guess my point is that I hope Disney will surprise us and once again be a company of tomorrow and use some of the new tech that's out in the world.
1) Tesla batteries are not "supercapacitor technology" - they are Lithium Ion batteries, bigger versions of the ones in your laptop.

2) It has been said time and time again that these gondolas will NOT be cooled with mechanical means. Naturally forced air ventilation will be used, which will be very sufficient to provide guest comfort for a short journey. @marni1971 even said that the choice that was made was determined through testing. How in the world is that not good enough for you to stop beating this dead horse further into the ground and arguing with people? Those of us that have a working knowledge of engineering principles (and basic walking around sense to know why turning the fan on in a room, moving the air, makes you feel a good bit cooler) see the issues with having the energy hog that is an AC unit, and why ventilation is fine.
 

roj2323

Well-Known Member
This conversation has become tiresome. Whether or not the Gondolas have AC doesn't matter. If it becomes an issue in the future Disney will adapt and address the issue. Until then everyone has beat this dead horse so much it looks like it's been put through a blender at this point.

If you want something to talk about that might be constructive and fun, talk about what the stations might look like.
 

larryz

Disneyphilus Smirkatious
Premium Member
Those of us that have a working knowledge of engineering principles (and basic walking around sense to know why turning the fan on in a room, moving the air, makes you feel a good bit cooler) see the issues with having the energy hog that is an AC unit, and why ventilation is fine.
As you tout your faith in engineering, a brief reminder that engineers designed the Titanic, the Tacoma Narrows Bridge, and the Edsel, too.

And to keep @roj2323 happy, here's hoping the stations will have air conditioning, but I kind of doubt they will, since they'll be mostly open on at least one side...
 

Mr Ferret 88

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This conversation has become tiresome. Whether or not the Gondolas have AC doesn't matter. If it becomes an issue in the future Disney will adapt and address the issue. Until then everyone has beat this dead horse so much it looks like it's been put through a blender at this point.

If you want something to talk about that might be constructive and fun, talk about what the stations might look like.
Dont know what the station will be like but will we see light theming kinda like this but disneyfied
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RustySpork

Oscar Mayer Memer
1) Tesla batteries are not "supercapacitor technology" - they are Lithium Ion batteries, bigger versions of the ones in your laptop.
Hey, you're right. I thought the power wall was super capacitor tech, but it's just Lithium Ion. Still could work.

2) It has been said time and time again that these gondolas will NOT be cooled with mechanical means. Naturally forced air ventilation will be used, which will be very sufficient to provide guest comfort for a short journey. @marni1971 even said that the choice that was made was determined through testing. How in the world is that not good enough for you to stop beating this dead horse further into the ground and arguing with people?
It'll be like driving around Orlando with your windows up, vent fans on high and the AC off. Sounds lovely.

Those of us that have a working knowledge of engineering principles (and basic walking around sense to know why turning the fan on in a room, moving the air, makes you feel a good bit cooler) see the issues with having the energy hog that is an AC unit, and why ventilation is fine.
You have knowledge of engineering principles? OH MAH GAWD! I've always wanted to meet someone intelligent like you! You're like the only one on the internet! HELLO SUPER SMART GUY! ;)
 

G00fyDad

Well-Known Member
This conversation has become tiresome. Whether or not the Gondolas have AC doesn't matter. If it becomes an issue in the future Disney will adapt and address the issue. Until then everyone has beat this dead horse so much it looks like it's been put through a blender at this point.

If you want something to talk about that might be constructive and fun, talk about what the stations might look like.


My guess is that the stations will probably all be themed to match the area in which they are going to be located.
 

RustySpork

Oscar Mayer Memer
As you tout your faith in engineering, a brief reminder that engineers designed the Titanic, the Tacoma Narrows Bridge, and the Edsel, too.

And to keep @roj2323 happy, here's hoping the stations will have air conditioning, but I kind of doubt they will, since they'll be mostly open on at least one side...
Our friendly neighborhood internet experts can't be convinced because Disney can do no wrong, and they're the smartest people here. Don't worry, you don't have to ask. They'll be happy to tell you all about how much better than you they are.
 

Cosmic Commando

Well-Known Member
Good call.

How about Parisian, regal, stoney, Art Deco and wavey?

Sounds like a modern day Seven Dwarfes... :D
Parisian = International Gateway
Art Deco = DHS
After this, it gets harder...
Stoney = CBR South? Maybe something either like the pool or the PotC queue?
Wavey = AoA/Pop? Something kinda generic to fit both resorts, or tied into the Nemo area, or the station is on the water, after all.
Regal = The only one left would be the new tower, which I believe the theme was called "surprising"? Hmm...

Edit: Awesome job on the Horizons video, Martin!
 

creathir

Monorail and PeopleMover Fanatic
Premium Member
This conversation has become tiresome. Whether or not the Gondolas have AC doesn't matter. If it becomes an issue in the future Disney will adapt and address the issue. Until then everyone has beat this dead horse so much it looks like it's been put through a blender at this point.

If you want something to talk about that might be constructive and fun, talk about what the stations might look like.
In thinking they may look like this:


;) jk
 
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