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News New Gondola Transportation - Disney Skyliner - Every Possible What If ....? Has Been Discussed.

Lift Blog

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Per a manager friend, they are very happy with how things are going for THS and TPD, but TIG is having some capacity growing pains. Alsmittedly, this is only day one, but it should be interesting to see how this goes over time (and how it affects future plans).
Four large stations is a lot for one line. Multiply every possible stop times four (or five because Riviera has double everything.) A LOT of chances for things to come up that affect the whole line.
 

creathir

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The joy ride crowds, if they don’t die down, could easily be curtailed by scanning magic bands for resorts on the system.

While it would initially be unpopular, if the lines get out of control at the IG or DHS, it would solve that problem pretty quickly.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
The joy ride crowds, if they don’t die down, could easily be curtailed by scanning magic bands for resorts on the system.

While it would initially be unpopular, if the lines get out of control at the IG or DHS, it would solve that problem pretty quickly.
If they haven’t done it with the bus stop at Disney Springs I don’t think they will ever do it...and that would cut down on people looking to beat the parking fee (a direct loss of profits for the company).
 

creathir

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If they haven’t done it with the bus stop at Disney Springs I don’t think they will ever do it...and that would cut down on people looking to beat the parking fee (a direct loss of profits for the company).
Very true, but the bus stops being overloaded out at DS is less of a problem than the smaller area of the IG.

I don’t think it would be a revenue decision, just pure logistics if it came down to it.
 

matt9112

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Rode from epcot to mgm today. Almost no line at the gateway but the line had a stoppage. Once on board the breeze was very enjoyable but the line did stop once more while we were on board. Once we go to CBR there was a maze of lines and cms were drawing more temporary tape lines on the floor. It was not awful as the lines were moving at a good clip but if the gondalas stop moving for just a moment it backs up real fast. On the ride to the studios there was a massive difference in airflow. ( im going to guess due to direction of travel vs wind direction) there was no breeze during this portion of our flight. It heats up quick.

All in all as long as the system is running at capacity its great but if it stops for sny amount of time it turns into a cluster not to mention a hot box in the cabin.
 

KC00

Active Member
I exited Epcot through the IG at 9:35 and the line was long but in near constant motion. It backed up out of the main entrance to the queue, down along the roadway that runs along side the station and then looped around again. Sorry, for the lousy description but hopefully you get the idea. I didn’t notice any stops during the entire time I was exiting and walking over to the Boardwalk so that is good news.

I will say while I was expecting to hate the dangling over active roadways part of the skyliner the most, that part was not all that bad. The thing I dislike the most is what the IG entrance has become because of all the extra activity. I hadn’t really given it much thought even though things were in constant flux over there when I stayed at YC back in May but it is a really remarkable change to the area that takes away a ton of its charm. It bummed me out quite a bit even though I realize it was probably necessary. Maybe it will be better once the expansion in France is done and they wrap up the rest of the construction and reconfiguring over there. Time will tell.
 

joelkfla

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Everything about wheelchair cabin management:
  • Wheelchair cabins are assigned at the beginning of day, and are identified by setting a plunger near the top of the hanger.
  • The plunger causes the door opening rail to collapse, so the doors stay closed thru the main unload platform.
  • The plunger also activates the track switch into the wheelchair unload area. As a flagged cabin approaches the switch, a chain drive activates and pulls the cabin across the switch.
  • Doors open as the cabin enters the wheelchair unload position.
  • Wheelchair cabins are unloaded and loaded simultaneously.
  • The chair is backed out.
  • The control podiums at both unload and load have a countdown timer. Operators at both positions must be holding in a button on the panel when the counter reaches zero for the cabins to advance. If either is not holding in the button when the timer is approaching zero, a reminder chime sounds. (The chime can be heard in the door opener video above.)
  • The cabin advances from unload to load position, while the cabin in load position moves around to prepare for re-entering the mainstream.
  • Doors remain open between unload and load.
  • The load operator briefly inspects the cabin, and then loads the wheelchair in a forward direction, instructing the rest of the party to wait.
  • Seats will never be folded during operation.
  • The wheelchair is instructed to move forward as far as possible. ECV’s are instructed to pull up against a guide rail along the floor.
  • Rubber chocks are placed behind the rear wheels.
  • Then the rest of the party is invited to enter.
  • Both operators release the cabins as described above.
  • Doors close immediately upon leaving the load position.
  • After advancing around the curve, the cabin pauses for a few seconds before re-entering the mainstream.
  • Empty wheelchair cabins will not be available to load at the regular load platform. Doors will remain closed, and the cabins remain empty.
I was told that the Epcot line will be stopped for wheelchair loading at Riviera. In fact, I was going to get off at Riviera on my ecv to look around, but they requested that I not.
 
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jrhwdw

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I exited Epcot through the IG at 9:35 and the line was long but in near constant motion. It backed up out of the main entrance to the queue, down along the roadway that runs along side the station and then looped around again. Sorry, for the lousy description but hopefully you get the idea. I didn’t notice any stops during the entire time I was exiting and walking over to the Boardwalk so that is good news.

I will say while I was expecting to hate the dangling over active roadways part of the skyliner the most, that part was not all that bad. The thing I dislike the most is what the IG entrance has become because of all the extra activity. I hadn’t really given it much thought even though things were in constant flux over there when I stayed at YC back in May but it is a really remarkable change to the area that takes away a ton of its charm. It bummed me out quite a bit even though I realize it was probably necessary. Maybe it will be better once the expansion in France is done and they wrap up the rest of the construction and reconfiguring over there. Time will tell.
I will say that this afternoon on YT, There was more people on IG than I've ever seen in my life! I'm used to dead IG's on Streams! There's NEVER people around if it's after opening and before ROE. I'm Guessing IG will go back to normal after the opening buzz is over? The Station is wonderful and shouldn't take away any charm since it's sitting on the tram loop that hasn't been used since 1991?

Rat will make France look better but IDK if it'll do anything for Skyliner.
 

DisneyDreamerxyz

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I will say that this afternoon on YT, There was more people on IG than I've ever seen in my life! I'm used to dead IG's on Streams! There's NEVER people around if it's after opening and before ROE. I'm Guessing IG will go back to normal after the opening buzz is over? The Station is wonderful and shouldn't take away any charm since it's sitting on the tram loop that hasn't been used since 1991?

Rat will make France look better but IDK if it'll do anything for Skyliner.
why would the International Gateway have less people eventually? if anything, it will have more.
it's pretty obvious that by expanding the UK and France Pavilions and having the Skyliner Station there as well as completely re-doing the entire security/entryway into Epcot that they are focusing on this area and want more people at this part of the park.
 

jrhwdw

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why would the International Gateway have less people eventually? if anything, it will have more.
it's pretty obvious that by expanding the UK and France Pavilions and having the Skyliner Station there as well as completely re-doing the entire security/entryway into Epcot that they are focusing on this area and want more people at this part of the park.
Are we thinking there'll be lines for WS and Skyliner in IG all day now? Won't go back to slower traffic during the non peak times during the day?
 

TP2000

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why would the International Gateway have less people eventually? if anything, it will have more.
it's pretty obvious that by expanding the UK and France Pavilions and having the Skyliner Station there as well as completely re-doing the entire security/entryway into Epcot that they are focusing on this area and want more people at this part of the park.
Plus adding a new E Ticket Marvel thrill ride, a new water show, Bob Chapek's Wonder Rotunda, a new Spaceship Earth, cosmetic upgrades and a massive marketing push for all the new rides and shows, etc.

The IG station will only swell with more crowds in the next few years, not decrease in crowds.
 

KC00

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The Riviera isn’t even open yet so once that happens it will just add to the crowds as well.

I think the station itself is quite lovely and fits in well but it’s kind of a madhouse over there between the active construction site in France which is the last thing you see as you approach the station on the skyliner and then there are a whole lot of temporary walls still up all around. I’ll keep my fingers crossed that once that work is done they’ll add some landscaping back in and it won’t feel so chaotic. Today when I arrived at the IG I didn’t notice the usual entry music which also made things feel off over there.
 

flynnibus

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Again.. today is not normal operating
Again... the biggest crush is yet to come. There are way more people staying at those resorts in normal operating than the number of bloggers and looks lu folks. When the bus service is cut back and the full brunt of those resorts is put on the system... there will be way more people at park close at Epcot trying to load than there is now.

Curiosity seekers don’t all land at once... but the park close crowds will land in a condensed window
 

Disone

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Per a manager friend, they are very happy with how things are going for THS and TPD, but TIG is having some capacity growing pains. Alsmittedly, this is only day one, but it should be interesting to see how this goes over time (and how it affects future plans).
Today might be day one for the public, but the TIG line was definitely experiencing issues during cast previews. Hopefully they can get the Kinks worked out of it. On day one it seem to be running just fine. So I'm hopeful they can find a way to get back to that. It is a complex line. A load and unload Zone at each terminal plus a handicap load and unload Zone at each terminal plus two unloads and two loads zones at the Riviera and on top of all that let's just throw in a turning station for good measure.
 

TrainChasers

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Rode back to studios tonight after illuminations. Several full stops while we were waiting in line but the wait was well worth it... saw 10:00 Star Wars Fireworks and 10:15 Halloween fireworks. Honestly it felt like I was in a Disney commercial seeing spaceship earth and all the fireworks going off all around me.
 

Rob562

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I wonder how many stoppages on the Epcot line were due to guests not exiting at the terminal, thinking they could just stay on for the return trip.

-Rob
 

joelkfla

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Some thoughts:

We had a pretty consistent 10mph wind from the east today. The affect on air flow in the cabins was very pronounced. Heading west out of Riviera, there was almost no airflow, and it became a bit uncomfortable. It improved as soon as the cabin made the turn north towards Epcot, even before it picked up speed. The cabin was quite comfortable when traveling in all other directions. Even heading south, with the wind blowing against the windowless doors, there was a good breeze coming up from the floor vents (which I can't figure out, because they're only on the back of the cabin.) Indeed, at times the wind was whistling through like a log cabin on the prairie.

I was riding on my ECV. The cabins also got a bit uncomfortable in the stations, but I attribute that to the fact that the wheelchair cabins spend a lot more time in the stations, much of it with the doors closed. There's no perceptible airflow when the cabins are moving at load speed.

The cabins seem to pick up and amplify sounds from the ground. I guess the sounds are bouncing around the walls. Passing over BVD sounded almost like NYC traffic. The roar of the BWV air conditioners was very noticeable, as was the noise of any construction machinery that we happened to pass by.

The solar panels along the paths between Speedway and the firehouse and through the woods on the Studios line are there to power small lights along the paths. I noticed the lights along the Pop/AoA path, too, but I didn't see any solar panels there. I guess they have electric service.

Lines at the CBR station seemed to build throughout the day. As others have said, they were a tangled mess, especially the line for Epcot, which overflowed both the permanent queue and the extension taped out on the floor. It made getting to the restrooms difficult.

Wheelchair entrance to the Pop station is thru the exit. Weird.

CM's said it's perfectly OK to request an unwrapped cabin, even in the wheelchair line. But it may take a while on the wheelchair line, because there may be only 1 or 2 unwrapped cabins assigned.

People on the board were wondering how the spurs to the storage yard connect to the main track at a 90 degree angle. It's simply 2 small radius curve tracks on both sides, with switches and a chain drive.
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The CBR internal shuttle bus stops at the Skyliner station in both directions, between Trinidad and Jamaica, and on the return from Aruba to Martinique. The number of buses on the route has been increased from 1 to 2, so they're probably running about every 10 minutes.

I noticed the walkway from the bus stop to the storage yard didn't have any restrictive signs, so I rolled up and peeked thru the fence. Very interesting. A chain drive moves cabins across the top of the yard. Drive tires move them thru the switches onto the individual legs -- just the opposite of the switch into the wheelchair platforms. Those boxes seen above the middle of the legs in the overhead photos shelter another set of drive tires.
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ETA: Forgot to mention: I saw a gaggle of Doppelmayr techs hobnobbing at CBR. I think they were the ones hired for local support. They were wearing an assortment of various-colored ordinary work clothes, with a Doppelmayr patch above the breast pocket, a Skyliner patch on one sleeve, and a nametag (didn't notice whether it was a standard issue Disney nametag or a different design.)
 
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csmat99

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I am already concerned they are spilling out to uncontrolled line areas at just normal operating... not peak. That will make for a bit of crowd control mess.. especially in the CBR hub.

There should be more 'walking queue' space to keep things orderly. At night, when people are cranky... if its chaotic.. its only going to get uglier.
I will tell you from first hand experience Disney didn't plan this right. The change station after you get off from MGM to go to epcot line was almost out of station and they had to have cast members tell people where to go to stand in line. I don't see demand lessening for this and during Holiday i'm scared to even imagine how bad it will be. The worst planning on Disney's part is the disaster that is now the exit at IG. It's literally a safety hazard walking out after Illuminations. People were lined up all the way up the hill. Then when you do get out you see the line for Skyway was wrapped around and all the way behind England.
 
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