New Florida law addresses "fake" service animals with possible jail time

Animaniac93-98

Well-Known Member
....miniature horses... :confused::confused::confused:

They're made using one of these:

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arko

Well-Known Member
She probably told them it was a service dog for anxiety.

emotional support dogs are not considered service dogs and can be denied. The dog has to be trained to perform a specific task to help with a disability, which is why they are allowed to ask what the dog is trained to do. If the owner says provide emotional support, thats not enough. Its just that business owners are afraid to challenge any obvious offenders
 

UnhealthilyObsessed

Well-Known Member
I've posted it here a few times, but I actually was in the queue with a lady bringing her chihuahua on ToT (in DCA, back in 2005)...it was in her (large) purse. Nuts! I literally grabbed multiple CMs to stop the whack job. Poor little dog...

Ha! Amazing! I tried to come up with the silliest joke and it ends up being true. I guess that old Walt quote is true: "If you can dream it, a park guest has probably done an even weirder version of it."
 

Timekeeper

Well-Known Member
Simple... places of public accommodation aren't allowed to quiz people and require proof... that doesn't mean the police can't. If they suspect you are in violation of the law, they will have to provide proof of the dog's training/purpose.. if not, citation. The police are enforcing the state law... it's not a subject of discrimination in a public accommodation (which is what the federal law covers).

...Except that this misunderstands criminal law and procedure. By making something a misdemeanor, the legislature made it a criminal act, for which the same constitutional rights and procedural safeguards apply as applies to murder - or any other crime. Police must have more than a mere "suspicion" that someone is in violation of the law before effectuating a stop/detention of that person. And even if the police do have a "reasonable suspicion" (articulable objective suspicion), or probable cause, to stop and detain someone for questioning, that someone has the right to remain silent and refuse to answer police questions. So the police can "quiz" people all they want, but people have the right to invoke Miranda and remain silent. Also, being that this is now a crime, if there is a physical arrest (or notice to appear issued), then the burden of proof is on the State of Florida to prove that the defendant committed the criminal act, beyond a reasonable doubt; there is no burden on a defendant to affirmatively prove their innocence. Moreover, the defendant would be entitled to a jury trial, even for a second-degree misdemeanor. The term "citation" is a bit misleading because it commonly implies a civil infraction with a financial penalty - like a speeding ticket - where the loss of liberty (incarceration/jail) is not a potential consequence. For a misdemeanor/criminal offense, if a person is not taken to jail upon arrest, then they are issued an NTA with a mandatory court date. Jurisdictions across Florida vary on how often law enforcement makes use of NTAs versus physical arrests. (In other words, some counties like taking people to jail more than others.)

It's also worth noting that there is equal criminal liability on the other side of the coin:

"Any person, firm, or corporation, or the agent of any person, firm, or corporation, who denies or interferes with admittance to, or enjoyment of, a public accommodation or, with regard to a public accommodation, otherwise interferes with the rights of an individual with a disability or the trainer of a service animal while engaged in the training of such an animal pursuant to subsection (8), commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083 and must perform 30 hours of community service for an organization that serves individuals with disabilities, or for another entity or organization at the discretion of the court, to be completed in not more than 6 months." Section 413.08(4), Florida Statutes.

So, places of public accommodation - and their agents - would want to tread lightly before over-policing service animals.

I think the threat of jail will discourage a lot of people with fake service animals but I think the main deterrent from the law is knowing you will go to jail if your fake service animal bites someone, goes to the bathroom in a store, is barking, or is doing anything that would be highly unlikely with a real trained service dog.

...Maybe, if people know about the "threat of jail." Criminal laws and their effects on subsequent criminal behavior is the core of criminology. There is little agreement in the scientific literature about whether criminal sanctions affect subsequent criminal behavior. I would venture to say that 99 out of 100 theme park guests will not even be aware of the statutory prohibition and potential criminal sanctions buried deep within the Florida Statutes. Add to that - this is a brand new law. Unless people are put on notice through mass media coverage or at the turnstiles... my guess is that a great majority of guests are not reading all of the Florida Statutes during their flight into Orlando International Airport. The printed edition of the Florida Criminal Laws - alone - are about the size of a traditional phonebook. (And, quite ironically, the Statutes pertaining to service animals are not even included in the printed edition of the Florida Criminal Laws and Rules publication. So, reviewing that book front-to-back would not provide any guidance on this matter.)

For anyone who is interested, below are some of the provisions from the new law. This is not the entire statute; just the sections that have specific additions/changes in language and are related to this topic of discussion. Section (9), at the end, is the new criminal liability provision.

Section 413.08, Florida Statutes, is amended to read:

(1)(d) “Service animal” means an animal that is trained to do work or perform tasks for an individual with a disability, including a physical, sensory, psychiatric, intellectual, or other mental disability. The work done or tasks performed must be directly related to the individual’s disability and may include, but are not limited to, guiding an individual who is visually impaired or blind, alerting an individual who is deaf or hard of hearing, pulling a wheelchair, assisting with mobility or balance, alerting and protecting an individual who is having a seizure, retrieving objects, alerting an individual to the presence of allergens, providing physical support and assistance with balance and stability to an individual with a mobility disability, helping an individual with a psychiatric or neurological disability by preventing or interrupting impulsive or destructive behaviors, reminding an individual with mental illness to take prescribed medications, calming an individual with posttraumatic stress disorder during an anxiety attack, or doing other specific work or performing other special tasks. A service animal is not a pet. For purposes of subsections (2), (3), and (4), the term “service animal” is limited to a dog or miniature horse. The crimedeterrent effect of an animal’s presence and the provision of emotional support, well-being, comfort, or companionship do not constitute work or tasks for purposes of this definition.

(3)(a) The service animal must be under the control of its handler and must have a harness, leash, or other tether, unless either the handler is unable because of a disability to use a harness, leash, or other tether, or the use of a harness, leash, or other tether would interfere with the service animal’s safe, effective performance of work or tasks, in which case the service animal must be otherwise under the handler’s control by means of voice control, signals, or other effective means.

(3)(b) Documentation that the service animal is trained is not a precondition for providing service to an individual accompanied by a service animal. A public accommodation may not ask about the nature or extent of an individual’s disability. To determine the difference between a service animal and a pet, a public accommodation may ask if an animal is a service animal required because of a disability and what work or tasks the animal has been trained to perform.

(3)(f) A public accommodation may exclude or remove any animal from the premises, including a service animal, if the animal is out of control and the animal’s handler does not take effective action to control it, the animal is not housebroken, or the animal’s behavior poses a direct threat to the health and safety of others. Allergies and fear of animals are not valid reasons for denying access or refusing service to an individual with a service animal. If a service animal is excluded or removed for being a direct threat to others, the public accommodation must provide the individual with a disability the option of continuing access to the public accommodation without having the service animal on the premises.

(9) A person who knowingly and willfully misrepresents herself or himself, through conduct or verbal or written notice, as using a service animal and being qualified to use a service animal or as a trainer of a service animal commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083 and must perform 30 hours of community service for an organization that serves individuals with disabilities, or for another entity or organization at the discretion of the court, to be completed in not more than 6 months.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
...Except that this misunderstands criminal law and procedure. By making something a misdemeanor, the legislature made it a criminal act, for which the same constitutional rights and procedural safeguards apply as applies to murder - or any other crime. Police must have more than a mere "suspicion" that someone is in violation of the law before effectuating a stop/detention of that person. And even if the police do have a "reasonable suspicion" (articulable objective suspicion), or probable cause, to stop and detain someone for questioning, that someone has the right to remain silent and refuse to answer police questions. So the police can "quiz" people all they want, but people have the right to invoke Miranda and remain silent. Also, being that this is now a crime, if there is a physical arrest (or notice to appear issued), then the burden of proof is on the State of Florida to prove that the defendant committed the criminal act, beyond a reasonable doubt; there is no burden on a defendant to affirmatively prove their innocence. Moreover, the defendant would be entitled to a jury trial, even for a second-degree misdemeanor. The term "citation" is a bit misleading because it commonly implies a civil infraction with a financial penalty - like a speeding ticket - where the loss of liberty (incarceration/jail) is not a potential consequence. For a misdemeanor/criminal offense, if a person is not taken to jail upon arrest, then they are issued an NTA with a mandatory court date. Jurisdictions across Florida vary on how often law enforcement makes use of NTAs versus physical arrests. (In other words, some counties like taking people to jail more than others.)

It's also worth noting that there is equal criminal liability on the other side of the coin:

"Any person, firm, or corporation, or the agent of any person, firm, or corporation, who denies or interferes with admittance to, or enjoyment of, a public accommodation or, with regard to a public accommodation, otherwise interferes with the rights of an individual with a disability or the trainer of a service animal while engaged in the training of such an animal pursuant to subsection (8), commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083 and must perform 30 hours of community service for an organization that serves individuals with disabilities, or for another entity or organization at the discretion of the court, to be completed in not more than 6 months." Section 413.08(4), Florida Statutes.

So, places of public accommodation - and their agents - would want to tread lightly before over-policing service animals.



...Maybe, if people know about the "threat of jail." Criminal laws and their effects on subsequent criminal behavior is the core of criminology. There is little agreement in the scientific literature about whether criminal sanctions affect subsequent criminal behavior. I would venture to say that 99 out of 100 theme park guests will not even be aware of the statutory prohibition and potential criminal sanctions buried deep within the Florida Statutes. Add to that - this is a brand new law. Unless people are put on notice through mass media coverage or at the turnstiles... my guess is that a great majority of guests are not reading all of the Florida Statutes during their flight into Orlando International Airport. The printed edition of the Florida Criminal Laws - alone - are about the size of a traditional phonebook. (And, quite ironically, the Statutes pertaining to service animals are not even included in the printed edition of the Florida Criminal Laws and Rules publication. So, reviewing that book front-to-back would not provide any guidance on this matter.)

For anyone who is interested, below are some of the provisions from the new law. This is not the entire statute; just the sections that have specific additions/changes in language and are related to this topic of discussion. Section (9), at the end, is the new criminal liability provision.

Section 413.08, Florida Statutes, is amended to read:

(1)(d) “Service animal” means an animal that is trained to do work or perform tasks for an individual with a disability, including a physical, sensory, psychiatric, intellectual, or other mental disability. The work done or tasks performed must be directly related to the individual’s disability and may include, but are not limited to, guiding an individual who is visually impaired or blind, alerting an individual who is deaf or hard of hearing, pulling a wheelchair, assisting with mobility or balance, alerting and protecting an individual who is having a seizure, retrieving objects, alerting an individual to the presence of allergens, providing physical support and assistance with balance and stability to an individual with a mobility disability, helping an individual with a psychiatric or neurological disability by preventing or interrupting impulsive or destructive behaviors, reminding an individual with mental illness to take prescribed medications, calming an individual with posttraumatic stress disorder during an anxiety attack, or doing other specific work or performing other special tasks. A service animal is not a pet. For purposes of subsections (2), (3), and (4), the term “service animal” is limited to a dog or miniature horse. The crimedeterrent effect of an animal’s presence and the provision of emotional support, well-being, comfort, or companionship do not constitute work or tasks for purposes of this definition.

(3)(a) The service animal must be under the control of its handler and must have a harness, leash, or other tether, unless either the handler is unable because of a disability to use a harness, leash, or other tether, or the use of a harness, leash, or other tether would interfere with the service animal’s safe, effective performance of work or tasks, in which case the service animal must be otherwise under the handler’s control by means of voice control, signals, or other effective means.

(3)(b) Documentation that the service animal is trained is not a precondition for providing service to an individual accompanied by a service animal. A public accommodation may not ask about the nature or extent of an individual’s disability. To determine the difference between a service animal and a pet, a public accommodation may ask if an animal is a service animal required because of a disability and what work or tasks the animal has been trained to perform.

(3)(f) A public accommodation may exclude or remove any animal from the premises, including a service animal, if the animal is out of control and the animal’s handler does not take effective action to control it, the animal is not housebroken, or the animal’s behavior poses a direct threat to the health and safety of others. Allergies and fear of animals are not valid reasons for denying access or refusing service to an individual with a service animal. If a service animal is excluded or removed for being a direct threat to others, the public accommodation must provide the individual with a disability the option of continuing access to the public accommodation without having the service animal on the premises.

(9) A person who knowingly and willfully misrepresents herself or himself, through conduct or verbal or written notice, as using a service animal and being qualified to use a service animal or as a trainer of a service animal commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083 and must perform 30 hours of community service for an organization that serves individuals with disabilities, or for another entity or organization at the discretion of the court, to be completed in not more than 6 months.

I was using citation in an attempt to be synomous with summons -- but it really doesn't matter. I don't know if you need to be processed before a magistrate in fl for misdemeanors... But again it really doesn't matter. The state has the burden of proof - and the conviction standard is higher but again... It really doesn't matter. To the point of the discussion- the standards of the ada for a public accomodation don't apply to how the police investigate a crime.

How the police determine their standard to arrest or not is still going to be based on their observations and what evidence they can gather. Sure you can remain silent... But I doubt these situations are going to come down to standoffs.

What will change is that the police can be involved... Which they would not be before. That is a gain for all
 

Timekeeper

Well-Known Member
What will change is that the police can be involved... Which they would not be before. That is a gain for all

Well, of course the police can be involved. I'm not disagreeing with you there. I'm just reminding everyone that the irony here is that there are constitutional safeguards (like the Fourth Amendment) that govern police conduct and interaction with people, and such safeguards do not apply to private entities.
 

The Empress Lilly

Well-Known Member
I've posted it here a few times, but I actually was in the queue with a lady bringing her chihuahua on ToT (in DCA, back in 2005)...it was in her (large) purse. Nuts! I literally grabbed multiple CMs to stop the whack job. Poor little dog...
Maybe the little doge loves loves loves ToT and the old lady, though terrified herself, does everything she can to smuggle him in. Maybe he was ill and was going to be put to sleep later that week, and she wanted to let him ride one last time. :'(


Hey it worked when I smuggled in my service wallaby into Space Mountain. The CM's totally bought it, including my old lady costume.
 

G00fyDad

Well-Known Member
emotional support dogs are not considered service dogs and can be denied. The dog has to be trained to perform a specific task to help with a disability, which is why they are allowed to ask what the dog is trained to do. If the owner says provide emotional support, thats not enough. Its just that business owners are afraid to challenge any obvious offenders

http://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm
"Examples of such work or tasks include guiding people who are blind, alerting people who are deaf, pulling a wheelchair, alerting and protecting a person who is having a seizure, reminding a person with mental illness to take prescribed medications, calming a person with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) during an anxiety attack, or performing other duties. Service animals are working animals, not pets."
 

arko

Well-Known Member
http://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm
"Examples of such work or tasks include guiding people who are blind, alerting people who are deaf, pulling a wheelchair, alerting and protecting a person who is having a seizure, reminding a person with mental illness to take prescribed medications, calming a person with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) during an anxiety attack, or performing other duties. Service animals are working animals, not pets."
You missed the next sentence
Dogs whose sole function is to provide comfort or emotional support do not qualify as service animals under the ADA.

A PTSD service animal is usually trained to do much more than calm and is a fullly trained service animal including
  • Retrieving medication;
  • Turning on lights and waking up their handler if s/he is having a night terror;
  • Searching the home to alleviate symptoms of hypervigilance;
  • Guiding their handler home during a dissociative episode;
  • Initiating tactile intervention when a handler experiences sensory overload;
  • Grounding their handler during a flashback.
Remember the dog is supposed to be trained so even if you have PTSD and having a dog around to help you stay calm is not enough, it has to be a dog trained to assist you in some way.That can include recognizing your agitation and providing comfort.

Again in reality business owners are loath to challenge people for fear being hit with an ADA suit. This new law is only going to come into play when the "service" animal starts misbehaving and the owner has just cause to ask them to be removed. Real trained service dogs would rarely if ever have to worry about it
 

G00fyDad

Well-Known Member
You missed the next sentence


A PTSD service animal is usually trained to do much more than calm and is a fullly trained service animal including
  • Retrieving medication;
  • Turning on lights and waking up their handler if s/he is having a night terror;
  • Searching the home to alleviate symptoms of hypervigilance;
  • Guiding their handler home during a dissociative episode;
  • Initiating tactile intervention when a handler experiences sensory overload;
  • Grounding their handler during a flashback.
Remember the dog is supposed to be trained so even if you have PTSD and having a dog around to help you stay calm is not enough, it has to be a dog trained to assist you in some way.That can include recognizing your agitation and providing comfort.

Again in reality business owners are loath to challenge people for fear being hit with an ADA suit. This new law is only going to come into play when the "service" animal starts misbehaving and the owner has just cause to ask them to be removed. Real trained service dogs would rarely if ever have to worry about it

YOU missed the point of my original ccomment.. ;)
 

arko

Well-Known Member
YOU missed the point of my original ccomment.. ;)

No there is a difference between a dog trained to help calm and a dog that simply calms someone by its mere presence. The second is not covered under the ADA. Like I said a dog that is trained to calm is also trained how to behave in public. And in realiy its only going to be when an untrained dog exhibits the behavior that would warrant its removal that this law would come into effect.
So if you take the effort to train your emotional support dog how to behave in public you probably can get by without any issue.
 

RandomPrincess

Keep Moving Forward
There is a child at my daughter's school who has a service dog. The dog is trained mostly to help the child handle his emotional outbursts. Although it does help with other things as well. It is a full size dog and it never plays or interacts with the other students in fact you wouldn't even know the dog was in the classroom unless there was a problem. It is a proper "emotional support dog". Anything that rides in a purse or stroller is not a service dog.
 

G00fyDad

Well-Known Member
No there is a difference between a dog trained to help calm and a dog that simply calms someone by its mere presence. The second is not covered under the ADA. Like I said a dog that is trained to calm is also trained how to behave in public. And in realiy its only going to be when an untrained dog exhibits the behavior that would warrant its removal that this law would come into effect.
So if you take the effort to train your emotional support dog how to behave in public you probably can get by without any issue.

Still missed my original point.
 

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