New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

DoubleSwitchback

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Of course, the script-sharing sites say success comes from emphasizing your symptoms, and being careful not to mention your diagnosis. So while they (in theory) can prove you never had a formal diagnosis, how can they prove you lied about symptoms?
 

Dranth

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Nobody is saying that some can't try. But reality is that there absolutely will be people where going into the line and then trying to get out after waiting 15,20+ minutes is not going to work. People on ECVs or wheelchairs for example. We all know that most queues are very narrow and trying to get out quickly, because you are having a medical issue, trying to past others ECVs, is not reasonable. Even trying to get past people when you are mobile is not easy.
Many LL lines have a wait over 15-20 minutes, how do people having medical emergencies leave those?

Also, I would argue that most lines you don't have to go very far before reaching an area that would be easy to exit. For example, many of the older rides have the LL right next to standby separated by a chain. When I have to leave, I just undo the chain and exit through the LL.

I know that is not every attraction but that is likely the reason Disney is telling people to ask at each attraction. Each will have its own best way.
 

DoubleSwitchback

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Are these sites telling people what to say too?
Oh yes. It's probably against the rules to post screenshots here, but I'm not being flippant when I call them script sharing groups. Imagine narratives, complete with fill in the blanks.

And these are not people who consider themselves cheaters...

eta: Like I said awhile back, DAS groups on FB are really toxic places.
 

Touchdown

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Happy Tuesday, it seems to be the day everyone wanted to go to AK today. It’s rough there, elsewhere not too bad. Even with Tiana and Tron both being down MK has no lines above 60 min.

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TrainsOfDisney

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Did anyone mention this lifetime ban for lying?
i don’t see that being enforced except for really strange cases like the tour guides.

How do you prove someone lied? Are they gonna take disabled guests to court? Or does Disney get to be the judge and jury and just declare “liar”?
 

DisneyCane

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i don’t see that being enforced except for really strange cases like the tour guides.

How do you prove someone lied? Are they gonna take disabled guests to court? Or does Disney get to be the judge and jury and just declare “liar”?
Disney gets to be the judge and jury if they want to as long as they aren't banning based on race, color, creed, gender, sexual orientation, etc. They can ban me because they didn't like the face I made at Pluto when he passed by.

In reality, I'm sure that they emphasized that rule to aim it at the tour guides. That, and as a little bit of a deterrent for frequent visitors and passholders.
 

NotTheOne

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i don’t see that being enforced except for really strange cases like the tour guides.

How do you prove someone lied? Are they gonna take disabled guests to court? Or does Disney get to be the judge and jury and just declare “liar”?
Yes, Disney does get to be judge and jury in this case.

Someone who is banned could certainly sue, and if they had their annual pass nullified and weren't lying, they probably would.
 

Club Cooloholic

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i don’t see that being enforced except for really strange cases like the tour guides.

How do you prove someone lied? Are they gonna take disabled guests to court? Or does Disney get to be the judge and jury and just declare “liar”?
It could at least be used for some tik tokers, but I agree they don't want to deal with the legality of it, I'm sure. But, I think if the policy was a bit more pronounced at the park and when people are attempting to get it, you might cut down on some folks even attempting it if they have no conditions.
 

C33Mom

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I was called an ableist and kicked out because I didn’t agree with sharing information on how people got approved either. So this is not surprising but it sucks because we will end up right back to where we were before…
I think Disney will shut the entire DAS program down before they will let it get back to where it was 2 months ago. They could switch to AQR requiring an approval call (maybe some groups getting approved for RTQ that would still require in person RTQ requests) and nothing else available in advance if enough people start calling in with the right script.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
i don’t see that being enforced except for really strange cases like the tour guides.

How do you prove someone lied? Are they gonna take disabled guests to court? Or does Disney get to be the judge and jury and just declare “liar”?
They don’t have to prove anything- it’s a choice they can make at their sole discretion.

They would have be at risk of a lawsuit if they errored but it takes resources to fight it.
 

NotTheOne

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I think Disney will shut the entire DAS program down before they will let it get back to where it was 2 months ago. They could switch to AQR requiring an approval call (maybe some groups getting approved for RTQ that would still require in person RTQ requests) and nothing else available in advance if enough people start calling in with the right script.
Agree 100%. In fact, I've wondered if that shouldn't go that way anyway...offer rider switch (at both parks), and AQR. Keep the phone calls, but the point would be that only situations where AQR or rider switch wouldn't work - solo travelers, single adult with all kids, disabled person & caregiver, etc. - could have an approval for RTQ in their app and then request it at each ride.
 

C33Mom

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Agree 100%. In fact, I've wondered if that shouldn't go that way anyway...offer rider switch (at both parks), and AQR. Keep the phone calls, but the point would be that only situations where AQR or rider switch wouldn't work - solo travelers, single adult with all kids, disabled person & caregiver, etc. - could have an approval for RTQ in their app and then request it at each ride.
We’ll see what happens— I hope for the sake of severely disabled guests that they don’t scrap DAS entirely and ex-DAS people refrain from exaggerating and faking to get back in the DAS system, but if they don’t, Disney will be able to argue that they tried to preserve the system in a way that didn’t impact operations but then an avalanche of new requests came in off shared scripts for severe autism, which will further justify (to a judge) scrapping any type of complimentary line skip program under the standards set in prior cases.
 

NotTheOne

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We’ll see what happens— I hope for the sake of severely disabled guests that they don’t scrap DAS entirely and ex-DAS people refrain from exaggerating and faking to get back in the DAS system, but if they don’t, Disney will be able to argue that they tried to preserve the system in a way that didn’t impact operations but then an avalanche of new requests came in off shared scripts for severe autism, which will further justify (to a judge) scrapping any type of complimentary line skip program under the standards set in prior cases.
Disney has to accommodate without forcing the disabled to pay for it, but it wouldn't have to be DAS.
 

jennab55

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I think Disney will shut the entire DAS program down before they will let it get back to where it was 2 months ago. They could switch to AQR requiring an approval call (maybe some groups getting approved for RTQ that would still require in person RTQ requests) and nothing else available in advance if enough people start calling in with the right script.
Sadly I think some would prefer that. They lose access so anyone else should too…
 

TrainsOfDisney

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I think there will be a legal standard set within the next few years.

In all honesty I think the phone call interview alone would fail ADA if taken to court as well as Guest Relations not being able to answer ADA questions on specific attractions.

Also… this is why the ADA exists - so large corporations can’t just make up rules.
 

C33Mom

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Disney has to accommodate without forcing the disabled to pay for it, but it wouldn't have to be DAS.
Yes, completely agree. That’s what they are currently testing out with AQR.
Thank you for that. 🙏
I feel strongly about it, which is why I really hope Disney does crack down and make an example of some liars soon. They have enough data that they could identify the most egregious cases if they wanted to— a few people losing access to the parks for a decade would really deter people who might otherwise justify lying about the severity of their needs.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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Just saw a post on social media - apparently Disney CM’s are recommending blind / visually impaired use wheelchairs?

Seems like a really strange accommodation.
 

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