New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

Vegas Disney Fan

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No more confusing than last 10yrs - DAS wasn’t automatically given for disabilities like hearing, vision, mobility, etc.
I was reading the thread from about 10 years ago when GAC changed to DAS and the anxiety, uncertainty, etc then are very similar to the anxiety and uncertainty now, I think (hope) in time we’ll become familiar with the new accommodations and a lot of the confusion will die down.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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I just got back and I’ll be honest Genie worked great as ive said a couple times. Yes having DAS obviously gets me on extra rides and kinda eliminates any down times if i dont want them… but im also not naive either.
It’s comforting to read reports like this.

Issue is this. The Non DAS user also most of times dont understand the disability a LEGIT das user has.. so it does work both ways. Again i stress legit and not the ones who lie and cheat and claim things
I think this can’t be repeated often enough, I’ve seen so many posts about how DAS allowed 20 rides a day but that’s never been our reality, it allowed us to “manage” 7-10 rides a day on average, without it we only managed 3 rides at DL one day last week.

Hopefully with time we'll get efficient with Genie and the other options and be able to make the new program work for us to where we can get back to having an “average” day also.
 

Angel Ariel

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I think this can’t be repeated often enough, I’ve seen so many posts about how DAS allowed 20 rides a day but that’s never been our reality, it allowed us to “manage” 7-10 rides a day on average, without it we only managed 3 rides at DL one day last week.
20 rides a day? lol, yeah, not our reality at all. Even traveling at a very down time of year we can't do that many in a day with DAS.
 

Club Cooloholic

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I can’t see a (Disney) world in which they ever decide to implement hard limits like have been suggested, which would effectively shut some people out in order to accommodate people who can be helped in a different way but who are in the know enough to secure their spot first.

I also don’t understand how this is a better alternative to what they’re doing now for anybody but those in the know folks who are upset they’re losing their preferred accommodation when they can be accommodated in some other way.
It's not any different than having a hard limit on how many virtual ride passes they give out, or back when there were park reservations, limiting that. There is nothing saying a user can't get into the park and enjoy what they can, but if they want the LL accomodations, they have to plan ahead as there can only be a limited amount, and still allow Disney to provide a better experience for all guests not just those that need accomodations. Does Madison Square garden have a legal obligation to provide as much as accessibile seating as demands it? No there is a limit to the amount they must have, just like a hotel has a limited amount of rooms and parking lot a limited amount of car spaces. If planned out right, I can't see how this would not work.
 
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Splash4eva

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It’s comforting to read reports like this.


I think this can’t be repeated often enough, I’ve seen so many posts about how DAS allowed 20 rides a day but that’s never been our reality, it allowed us to “manage” 7-10 rides a day on average, without it we only managed 3 rides at DL one day last week.

Hopefully with time we'll get efficient with Genie and the other options and be able to make the new program work for us to where we can get back to having an “average” day also.
I will say this and granted being experienced and a long time visitor and knowledgable with Genie and drop times i was able to do that many rides and more using a combo Pre Books/DAS Genie and “Walk on’s” along with VQ & ILL.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
It's not any different than having a hard limit on how many virtual ride passes they give out, or back when there were park reservations, limiting that. There is nothing saying a user can't get into the park and enjoy what they can, but if they want the LL accomodations, they have to plan ahead as there can only be a limited amount, and still allow Disney to provide a better experience for all guests not host those that need accomodations. Does Madison Square garden have a legal obligation to provide as much as accessibile seating as demands it? No there is a limit to the amount they must have, just like a hotel has a limited amount of rooms and parking lot a limited amount of car spaces. If planned out right, I can't see how this would not work.
I don't think comparisons between physical accommodations expressly covered by DOJ regulations and line-skip systems are useful. With the former, a business can simply point to the enacted regulations and there is no question of compliance. The optics would be completely different if it were the business rather than the Department of Justice deciding how many accommodations are appropriate.
 

Purduevian

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To me, and no, I'm not a lawyer, the legality of admitting someone to the park but then not affording them a needed accommodation (because some guests truly do need a DAS, couldn't do the parks otherwise) is suspect.
Just to play devils advocate (I don't think they should do this). Do you think they could sell a set number of "DAS entry tickets" a day and only those with "DAS entry tickets" would get to use the system? If they are sold out for the day, everyone is welcome to buy a normal ticket, but no accommodations are made for those on that ticket.

Do accessible rooms at hotels or seats at shows require proof of a disability before they are purchased?
 

Splash4eva

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Just to play devils advocate (I don't think they should do this). Do you think they could sell a set number of "DAS entry tickets" a day and only those with "DAS entry tickets" would get to use the system? If they are sold out for the day, everyone is welcome to buy a normal ticket, but no accommodations are made for those on that ticket.

Do accessible rooms at hotels or seats at shows require proof of a disability before they are purchased?
This is what is dont understand from a legal pov. Why does any company need to provide unlimited DAS when they are not required to provide unlimited handicap spots or accessible hotel rooms…
 

Chi84

Premium Member
Just to play devils advocate (I don't think they should do this). Do you think they could sell a set number of "DAS entry tickets" a day and only those with "DAS entry tickets" would get to use the system? If they are sold out for the day, everyone is welcome to buy a normal ticket, but no accommodations are made for those on that ticket.

Do accessible rooms at hotels or seats at shows require proof of a disability before they are purchased?
This is a bad idea for some many reasons I can't enumerate them. Let's just say people who don't need accessible seating are not willing to pay more for it than regular seating.
 

Disstevefan1

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Sorry to have missed yesterday, got busy but, today is again sticking to the pattern of long lines on weekdays

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Purduevian

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This is a bad idea for some many reasons I can't enumerate them. Let's just say people who don't need accessible seating are not willing to pay more for it than regular seating.
I didn't say they would be sold at a different price. Just a limited number of "DAS entry tickets" that replace your normal entry tickets. Just like a stadium has a limited number of handicap seats.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
When rider swap was only for children too short to ride, families could not get rider swap at rides like HM, even if a small child was too scared to ride. CM's also often had to check to make sure the child really was too short.
I can't say we ever had that problem in the 2000s when my kids were small. Even at attractions like Soarin' with very low thresholds of height requirements... or HM. It was never questioned at all - just we spoke to the CM, and some of our party didn't enter... and two people came back on the RS pass to the FP return late.

When my extended family used to use it, we usually had a stroller, and a small child willing to nap in the stroller. We'd also aim to do big rides while the child was napping. but Ww deiced that every child had to be height-checked, so we had to wake them up to request a child swap.
Then maybe this was a later iteration as they tried to curb some behavior.. because it wasn't always like that. RS was a god send and just one of those tips/secrets you learned about and made your trip all that much more enjoyable.
 

Angel Ariel

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Just to play devils advocate (I don't think they should do this). Do you think they could sell a set number of "DAS entry tickets" a day and only those with "DAS entry tickets" would get to use the system? If they are sold out for the day, everyone is welcome to buy a normal ticket, but no accommodations are made for those on that ticket.

Do accessible rooms at hotels or seats at shows require proof of a disability before they are purchased?
To the bolded - no.
 

Wendy Pleakley

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Just to play devils advocate (I don't think they should do this). Do you think they could sell a set number of "DAS entry tickets" a day and only those with "DAS entry tickets" would get to use the system? If they are sold out for the day, everyone is welcome to buy a normal ticket, but no accommodations are made for those on that ticket.

Do accessible rooms at hotels or seats at shows require proof of a disability before they are purchased?

Legally, I don't know.

Morally? There would be pros and cons. People would be "shut out" on certain days but limiting DAS passes could allow for a better product if it doesn't impact general operations the same way.

This is where the old Fastpass system is missed for many I imagine. My last trip was with the old system and I had prebooked fastpasses for Frozen, Avatar, and Mine Train among others.

I imagine for those with a more mild disability, this level of advance booking would probably work well. You'd know you have access to one big headliner and two other attractions, with an option to book more once those are done. You know in advance what your day looks like somewhat and can go in confident you'll have a decent experience.
 

ConfettiCupcake

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At the risk of this being an unpopular take, the notion that Disney should ration DAS and make it first come first serve instead of giving to everyone who cannot be accommodated in some other way can come off as very self serving. Why else would anybody advocate for a model where the most in need of the accommodations could be shut out?

I just don’t understand how we have 425 pages of back and forth with a large portion of it surrounding how Disney has a responsibility to accommodate everyone even at the expensive of their operations, just to land on the opinion that actually its totally cool to not accommodate the people most in need of the accommodations if they were too slow to book.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I was reading the thread from about 10 years ago when GAC changed to DAS and the anxiety, uncertainty, etc then are very similar to the anxiety and uncertainty now, I think (hope) in time we’ll become familiar with the new accommodations and a lot of the confusion will die down.
That is also because DAS evolved too... the simple 'just do it from your app' model we have now wasn't the model then. We had iterations like you had to take the DAS card holder to the attraction, and get a hand written note... then leave said attraction (which would cause grief).. then later I believe they allowed a runner to collect the DAS return time.. then later it got digitized... etc etc etc.

So it's not just anxeity about change, but the programs did evolve too.. to the mostly 'smooth' model DAS users had gotten accustomed to in the MDE+ era.
 

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