New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

[Chi84]

What are the requirements, legally? I am just curious. Such as what does an airline or a theater have to do? For ADA , I know about requiring ways into a pool, having ways other than stairs into buildings impaired, but not sure what it is how specifically these requirements are met in other instances. I did find a bit of case law on it and Disney argument which the court agreed with was this.

From the link below:

In court documents, Disney argues that it’s impossible for them to prevent these meltdowns and that they have no legal obligation to do so. They claim the court’s decision to move the suits to trial “assumes that Disney somehow has the ability, let alone legal obligation, to prevent meltdowns with instant and unrestricted ride entry.”

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Security lines at the airports can get very long. I haven’t heard what accommodations they make for people with autism or anxiety. Maybe someone here can weigh in?

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

What are the requirements, legally? I am just curious. Such as what does an airline or a theater have to do? For ADA , I know about requiring ways into a pool, having ways other than stairs into buildings impaired, but not sure what it is how specifically these requirements are met in other instances. I did find a bit of case law on it and Disney argument which the court agreed with was this.

From the link below:

In court documents, Disney argues that it’s impossible for them to prevent these meltdowns and that they have no legal obligation to do so. They claim the court’s decision to move the suits to trial “assumes that Disney somehow has the ability, let alone legal obligation, to prevent meltdowns with instant and unrestricted ride entry.”

Disney Working to Block Dozens of Lawsuits Related to ADA, Autism

Disney is fighting back against 30 lawsuits claiming their amusement parks have failed to reasonably accommodate visitors with severe autism.

abilitymagazine.com

The idea of what is legal has been tossed around back and forth in this thread many times already, but IMO, Disney's accommodation has always served a further purpose. To some degree, Disney's interests are served if the most people possible have a positive experience when visiting the parks.

It is not in WDW's interest if people are suffering in the queues. Someone throwing up, or fainting, or having a panic attack is going to be disruptive.

Disney can't prevent all meltdowns of course, but Disney also wants to sell WDW as a happy place to be.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

Security lines at the airports can get very long. I haven’t heard what accommodations they make for people with autism or anxiety. Maybe someone here can weigh in?

TSA Cares offers some options. A little like WDW, people call and discuss their specific needs. I don't know all they offer, but private screenings are an option. Some staff have extra training and expertise.

 

[aprilibeth]

Security lines at the airports can get very long. I haven’t heard what accommodations they make for people with autism or anxiety. Maybe someone here can weigh in?

Big difference waiting in one 15-20 min line vs waiting in much longer lines all day.

 

[ditzee]

Well, will they increase the number of Genie+ sold and increase the number of return times in the system?

I think they will need to increase the number of Genie+ as will as increase the number of return times in the system to accommodate the folks who previously legitimately qualified for DAS and now do not and need to be in the shortest queue possible.

It's going to be a fiasco because a lot of former DAS users will buy Genie+ (if they still patronize Disney).Then, there will be the "waaaghs" because former DAS users are making Genie+ run out faster.

 

[Jrb1979]

I said it might help, not that it would fix anything.

WDW does not have the capacity to make a paid line-skip system work, and they understood this during the 20+ years of free FP and FP +. Now everyone is suffering the consequences of that greed and there’s no help for that.

They do have the capacity if they made it similar to every other park and limited how many can buy it. Limit it to 10% of guests per day and price it accordingly

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

I think everyone can agree with this. And the current system, where a relatively small percentage of park guests were using a relatively huge amount of park capacity on all the popular rides belies that goal.

Sigh, yes.

But this thread keeps going in circles. with people saying the same thing over and over.

I know, it happens on many threads, but this one is starting to remind me of the covid thread.

This is a big change, and there is much to discuss.

 

[networkpro]

It's going to be a fiasco because a lot of former DAS users will buy Genie+ (if they still patronize Disney).Then, there will be the "waaaghs" because former DAS users are making Genie+ run out faster.

It's a finite supply of accounted for capacity.

 

[ditzee]

They do have the capacity if they made it similar to every other park and limited how many can buy it. Limit it to 10% of guests per day and price it accordingly

I don't know why Disney wouldn't sell tiered tickets with Genie+ and/or Individual Lightning Lanes included in the price instead of the shuffle stupidity.. The tickets are already tiered at base and park hopping. Buy once and done and maybe have a few extra each day in case a few guests decide they want to add on.

 

[homerdance]

Security lines at the airports can get very long. I haven’t heard what accommodations they make for people with autism or anxiety. Maybe someone here can weigh in?

Clearly TSA Precheck> Genie+.

 

[Disstevefan1]

It's going to be a fiasco because a lot of former DAS users will buy Genie+ (if they still patronize Disney).Then, there will be the "waaaghs" because former DAS users are making Genie+ run out faster.

What if they increase the number of Genie+ sold to accommodate the former DAS folks. Is it possible there will be the SAME number of folks in LL queues and the only difference is most are now paying to be in the LL queue?

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

What if they increase the number of Genie+ sold to accommodate the former DAS folks. Is it possible there will be the SAME number of folks in LL queues and the only difference is most are now paying to be in the LL queue?

Even if this is what happens the capacity will still be more equitably distributed because DAS users use so much more capacity than even genie+ users can.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

I don't know why Disney wouldn't sell tiered tickets with Genie+ and/or Individual Lightning Lanes included in the price instead of the shuffle stupidity.. The tickets are already tiered at base and park hopping. Buy once and done and maybe have a few extra each day in case a few guests decide they want to add on.

When the DAS changes were first announced, changes to G+ were also mentioned.
that's part of why i am reading this thread.

If G+ came with prebooks, it might mitigate the DAS changes to some degree.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

When the DAS changes were first announced, changes to G+ were also mentioned.
that's part of why i am reading this thread.

If G+ came with prebooks, it might mitigate the DAS changes to some degree.

That’s likely happening once the hotel reservation changes take effect at the beginning of ‘25.

 

[Jrb1979]

When the DAS changes were first announced, changes to G+ were also mentioned.
that's part of why i am reading this thread.

If G+ came with prebooks, it might mitigate the DAS changes to some degree.

They don't have the capacity to give out pre books.

 

[Chi84]

They do have the capacity if they made it similar to every other park and limited how many can buy it. Limit it to 10% of guests per day and price it accordingly

They won’t do that for all the reasons in the 1,000+ page Genie+ thread.

 

[April2248]

Well, will they increase the number of Genie+ sold and increase the number of return times in the system?

I think they will need to increase the number of Genie+ as will as increase the number of return times in the system to accommodate the folks who previously legitimately qualified for DAS and now do not and need to be in the shortest queue possible.

My guess is no. Genie has always been separate from das.

 

[April2248]

What are the requirements, legally? I am just curious. Such as what does an airline or a theater have to do? For ADA , I know about requiring ways into a pool, having ways other than stairs into buildings impaired, but not sure what it is how specifically these requirements are met in other instances. I did find a bit of case law on it and Disney argument which the court agreed with was this.

From the link below:

In court documents, Disney argues that it’s impossible for them to prevent these meltdowns and that they have no legal obligation to do so. They claim the court’s decision to move the suits to trial “assumes that Disney somehow has the ability, let alone legal obligation, to prevent meltdowns with instant and unrestricted ride entry.”

Disney Working to Block Dozens of Lawsuits Related to ADA, Autism

Disney is fighting back against 30 lawsuits claiming their amusement parks have failed to reasonably accommodate visitors with severe autism.

abilitymagazine.com

Well they didn’t limit waits to 15 minutes lol

 

[April2248]

It's a finite supply of accounted for capacity.

Well you can always buy then find their are no options.

 

[April2248]

My son has level 1 and got denied today. We have used das in the past. We are passholders who are typically in the park for only a.few hours then leave to head back and relax at the resort. It worked for my son who if the wait is too long will vocally stim by singing. We don't want to bother others and will try to distract him by talking about other things, playing games etc but he will inevitably go back to singing. Now I'm the lady in line quieting my kid constantly to not disturb others with 2 younger kids. I was told we should use return to queue. I guarantee we will not be returning to most rides if we leave the line. Also we will now be bringing constant attention to my son who is sensitive about autism in the first place. I'm pretty disgusted with the whole situation. We will go early and leave around lunch. Probably be done for the day. Maybe next year we do universal instead and just stay in the premier hotels for unlimited express. Vacation shouldn't be stressful but Disney seems to be making it that way.

Any other diagnosis? Im
Sorry btw this is my fear.