MY Disney theme park proposal (Phase 1)

[KentB3]

As I mentioned in my earlier post here, I am coming up with a proposal for a 6th Disney theme park. Although I have'nt come up with a location for it, my first choice would be a toss up between Hawaii (if in the US) and Australia (if international).

This park would be more of a condensed, less spread out version of WDW, since I am doubtful that Disney would buid another huge resort like WDW (especially in the US), and several people have mentioned that Disneyland is easier to navigate since everything is pretty much in walking distance. So far, I have come up with the rides and attractions for Phase 1, which would be similar to the MK at WDW and the original DL Anaheim park. Phase 2 would be based around an actual working movie/TV studio, much like Disney-MGM, with a few elements of Epcot and California Adventure thrown in. Here is what I came up with so far for Phase 1, The Magic Kingdom:


Main Street USA:
1.) City Hall
2.) (whatever the park's name is) Raliroad
3.) Main Street Cinema
4.) Main Street Exposition Hall
5.) Main Street Vehicles
6.) Penny Arcade
7.) The Walt Disney Story, with Walt Disney One Man's Dream Part 1 of the presentation tells the life story of Walt Disney, and part 2 tells the story of Walt's dream in buiding and opening
Disney theme parks.

Adventureland:
1.) 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea
2.) Enchanted Tiki Room (I've never been to either WDW or Disneyland Anaheim, but I am currently considering visiting WDW sometime soon. Therefore, I have no idea whether the original at DL or WDW's Under New Management version is better. My best bet would be to come up with something different from either one!)
3.) Jungle Cruise
4.) The Living Seas
5.) Magic Carpets of Aladdin
6.) Pirates of the Carribean (extended version similar to DL Anaheim)
7.) Tarzan's Treehouse

Critter Country:
1.) Country Bears Jamboree
2.) Festival of the Lion King
3.) It's Tough To Be a Bug
4.) Splash Mountain
5.) The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh

Fantasyland:
1.) Ariel's Grotto
2.) Beauty & the Beast dark ride
3.) Dumbo the Flying Elephant
4.) Fantasyland Stage (in front of the castle)
5.) It's a Small World
6.) Mad Tea Party
7.) Mickey Mouse Revue
8.) Mr. Toad's Wild Ride
9.) The Old Mill Ferris Wheel (a Ferris Wheel shaped like a grist mill wheel, based on the 1937 Silly Symphony)
10.) Peter Pan's Flight
11.) Pinocchio's Daring Journey
12.) Sleeping Beauty dark ride
13.) Snow White's Scary Adventures

As for the castle, my first choice would be Cinderella's-- unless some people object to having a castle like the one at WDW. I have heard mention here about Snow White's castle-- but that castle is much plainer that the others (perhaps since SW is set in an earlier time period than Cinderella or Sleeping Beauty) and has a rather odd shape to it. Snow White's defintely would need a few revisions to make it fancier and more magical looking-- much like Sleeping Beauty's castle at the planned Hong Kong park, which appears to be Sleeping Beauty's DL Anaheim castle with features of Cinderella's thrown in to make it larger and better looking. I also have heard about Beauty & the Beast castle, but judging from the movie and items in the Disney Store catalog, that castle looks more like a building on Main Street that a gothic, fairy-tale castle. However, my first choice is still Cinderella's, which IMHO, none of the others can beat in appearance!

Frontierland:
1.) Big Thunder Mountain Railroad
2.) Davy Crockett's Explorer Canoes
3.) Fort Wilderness
4.) Frontierland Cave
5.) Frontierland Shootin' Arcade
6.) Pocahontas Island (this is actually a mini-section much like Tom Sawyer's Island, but bigger, within Frontierland.) Includes the following
a.) 17th century Jamestown, VA settlement recreation
b.) Exchanded Glade play area
c.) Indian Village, with Ceremonial Dance circle (much like the
long-gone attraction at DL Anaheim)
d.) Pocahontas and Her Forest Friends (same as WDW AK)
Also, guests will have a chance to meet Pocahontas on a regular basis, since I have heard numerous times that's she's hard to find. Here, they'll find here for sure! (along with John Smith and other characters from the movie)
7.) Woody's Saloon Revue

Liberty Square
1.) The American Adventure
2.) The Hall of Presidents
3.) The Haunted Mansion
4.) Liberty Belle Riverboat

Mickey's Toontown:
1.) Chip 'n Dale's Treehouse
2.) Daisy's Boat
3.) Donald's Boat
4.) Goofy's Barnstormer
5.) Jolly Trolley
6.) Mickey's House
7.) Minnie's House
8.) Professor Ludwing Von Drake's House of Genius (based on a similar proposal on this board)
9.) Roger Rabbit's Cartoon Spin
10.) Scrooge McDuck's Money Bin (play area based on his immense money bin, along with an "meet & greet" area where guests get to meet none other than Scrooge McDuck himself!)
11.) Toontown Hall of Fame

Tommorrowland:
1.) Astro Orbiter
2.) Autotopia
3.) The Alien Encounter
4.) Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin
5.) Cosmic Waves
6.) Innoventions
7.) Journey Into Imagination (with Figment, Imageworks, and Honey I Shrunk the Audience)
8.) Mission: Space
9.) Rocket Rods
10.) Space Mountain
11) Tommorrowland Theater
12.) Tommorrowland Transit Authority

Parades:
1.) Afternoon Parade: not sure, but I am kind of partial to "Share a Dream Come True" with the snowglobes, and I have no idea what DL Anaheim runs during the afternoon. However, it probably will be something different anyway.
2.) Night Time Parade: Main Street Electrical Parade, though a bit updated.

Last but not least, there will be the Fireworks show late at night over the castle!

Well there you have it; Phase 1, or the Magic Kingdom, or my Disney park proposal. Phase 2, as I said above, will be a movie/TV studio based park; similar to Disney-MGM and Universal Studios, with a few elements of Epcot and DL's California Adventure. Phase 2 will also include Fantasmic!, Star Tours, a backlot tour much like the now-defunct Disney-MGM attraction, and even a branch of the Museum of Television and Radio (there are already two, one in New York, another in Hollywood), just to mention a few!

In addition, this park will include hotels, a campground, a water park, and a Downtown Disney district situated between the Magic Kingdom and my now-unamed Phase 2 park. Any comments/questions/suggestions are welcome, especially since this is my very first project I have on this board!

 

[KentB3]

I forgot to mention a couple of Fantasyland attractions I was going to include:

1.) Cinderella's Golden Carousel
2.) Cinderella's (or whoever in in charge of the castle) Suprise Celebration

 

[KentB3]

Does anyone read my posts?!

I really do need some feedback over this, especially since this is my first project on the Imagineers Board. LMK what you think of my park proposal so far!

 

[imagineer boy]

You have some good ideas in there, and some ideas that aren't too good. Mostly its based on where you put the rides. I don't see too many new ideas for rides here. I think you need some more original ideas for rides and lands. I think you need to maybe chuck out Liberty Square and Critter Country and make a new land.

Main Street: Looks good.

Adventureland: 20000 Leagues under the sea does not belong here. Adventureland's theme isn't just any Adventures, its a Combo of the 1930s where people were just discovering and exploring exotic regions of the world such as, Africa, Asia, Egypt, the caribean, etc. That's what Walt Disney's Original Adventureland show was about. Maybe you could move 20000 Leagues to Tomorrowland ( because Tomorrrowland has the theme of science fiction ) or move it to the studios and have it based on the movie. The Living seas doesn't really go here either. Just don't put it in.

Critter Country: Like I said, this idea has been done many times before, and its time for a new land to be made. Critter Country isn't relly supposed to be themed to all animals, but sort of like Critters living in America's forests. You can easily put Country Bears and Splash Mountian in Frontieirland. You could also put Pooh in Fantaseyland, and put Fesival of the Lion King in Adventureland. ITTBAB, can go in the studios, and maybe the show could be changed, like Flik is having an audition for bugs to be in his movie, and all goes wrong like usual. So, you don't toatally need Critter Country. My advice is just to leave it out.

Fantaseyland: Looks good, although, why don't you change the Mickey Mouse Review to Philarmagic?

Frontierland: I think you have 1 too many pochahantas attractions. Leave out the Indian cricle, Pochahantas island, and James Town. Pochahantas and Her forest friends is a good idea to have it here.

Liberty Square: Like I said, already done, no need for another. Just Move the Haunted Mansion and Liberty Bell boat to Fronteirland, and just not have Hall of Presidents or American Adventure.

Toon Town: Looks good, but there's really no need for Daisey's Boat or Goofy's Barn Stormer. Make a kiddie coaster with a different theme. I like the scrooge's Money Bin idea. Whats the Hall of Fame?

Tomorrowland: Journey into Imagination doesn't reallky belong here because its too magic- type whisical. Just have HISTA here. I suppose Mission Space could work here, but how about a new Star Tours that uses the same technology? That would be neat. Innoventions doesn't really belong here either because Tomorrowland is based off science fiction, not fact like innoventions is. Rocket Rods will have banked turns right?

Well, those are my opinions. I'd like to see the Studios soon.

 

[KentB3]

Originally posted by imagineer boy
You have some good ideas in there, and some ideas that aren't too good. Mostly its based on where you put the rides. I don't see too many new ideas for rides here. I think you need some more original ideas for rides and lands. I think you need to maybe chuck out Liberty Square and Critter Country and make a new land.

I think Critter Country and Libery Square are just fine, even though smaller sections, both DL Anaheim and WDW have smaller themed sections. (WDW has Liberty Square and DL has New Orleans Square and Critter Country)

Main Street: Looks good.

Adventureland: 20000 Leagues under the sea does not belong here. Adventureland's theme isn't just any Adventures, its a Combo of the 1930s where people were just discovering and exploring exotic regions of the world such as, Africa, Asia, Egypt, the caribean, etc. That's what Walt Disney's Original Adventureland show was about. Maybe you could move 20000 Leagues to Tomorrowland ( because Tomorrrowland has the theme of science fiction ) or move it to the studios and have it based on the movie. The Living seas doesn't really go here either. Just don't put it in.

You're may be right about 20,000 Leagues. BTW, WDW's now-defunct 20,000 Leagues ride was in Fantasyland, and IMHO, Adventureland seems to fit better. I would like to include The Living Seas, but it probably doesn't fit in Adventureland to well either.

Critter Country: Like I said, this idea has been done many times before, and its time for a new land to be made. Critter Country isn't relly supposed to be themed to all animals, but sort of like Critters living in America's forests. You can easily put Country Bears and Splash Mountian in Frontieirland. You could also put Pooh in Fantaseyland, and put Fesival of the Lion King in Adventureland. ITTBAB, can go in the studios, and maybe the show could be changed, like Flik is having an audition for bugs to be in his movie, and all goes wrong like usual. So, you don't toatally need Critter Country. My advice is just to leave it out.

Personally, I think Critter Country is just fine, but you're right about IITBAB and Legend of the Lion King-- which would fit better at the studios. BTW, both Disneyland Anaheim and Tokyo Disneyland include Critter Country, so why can't it be included here?

Fantaseyland: Looks good, although, why don't you change the Mickey Mouse Review to Philarmagic?

Tokyo Disneyland has Mickey Mouse Review, which previosly existed at WDW prior to being taken to Tokyo. I doubt that many people would go all the way to Tokyo to see this, and many still have memories of MMR at WDW.

Frontierland: I think you have 1 too many pochahantas attractions. Leave out the Indian cricle, Pochahantas island, and James Town. Pochahantas and Her forest friends is a good idea to have it here.

I completely disagree with you here. Many years ago, DL Anaheim had an Indian Village where Critter Country is currently located, which centered around American Indian/Native American culture. The Indian Circle was without a doubt the most memorable, where Indian/NA dancers demonstrated native ceremonial dance steps for the guests. Towards the end of the show, guests (children and adults alike) were invited to join them!
In fact, I have run across people on the Internet who are still disappointed that this was taken out of DL. IMHO, this would be a great addition to this Disney park, and giving it a Pocahontas theme would be a nice touch to it! Also, from what I've heard/read, Pocahontas is not an easy character to find for Meet & Greet at DL or WDW, so here they'll find her for sure!!!!!

BTW, Pocahontas Island was not originally my idea-- this came from an earlier proposal on this board by Meeko (IIRC, his real name is Gus Allen, judging from his AOL Instant Messenger screename). IMHO, this was undoubtedly the best part of his proposal!

Liberty Square: Like I said, already done, no need for another. Just Move the Haunted Mansion and Liberty Bell boat to Fronteirland, and just not have Hall of Presidents or American Adventure.

See above in the Critter Country section.

Toon Town: Looks good, but there's really no need for Daisey's Boat or Goofy's Barn Stormer. Make a kiddie coaster with a different theme. I like the scrooge's Money Bin idea. Whats the Hall of Fame?

The reason I included Daisy's boat was since Daisy wasn't, according who what I read/heard, avaliable for M&G with guests as often as people think she should, especially since Donald is in the "Big 5" characters (along with Mickey, Minnie, Goofy, & Pluto)
True, it was a bit redundant, so I guess Daisy could hang around with Donald on or near his boat!

Oddly enough, in WDW's Share a Dream Come True parade (the one with the snowglobes), Mickey Mouse is replaced by Peter Pan on the "Big 5" float, since Mickey has a float of his own!

Tomorrowland: Journey into Imagination doesn't reallky belong here because its too magic- type whisical. Just have HISTA here. I suppose Mission Space could work here, but how about a new Star Tours that uses the same technology? That would be neat. Innoventions doesn't really belong here either because Tomorrowland is based off science fiction, not fact like innoventions is. Rocket Rods will have banked turns right?

Disneyland Anaheim has Innoventions and HISTA from Journey Into Imagination, so why not here? IMHO, Star Tours would fit better at the studios. Not sure about Rocket Rods, since I've never been to either of the Disney parks-- it just go by what I read, hear, or watch on TV or the Internet. BTW, PL Paris uses titles this section Discoveryland, perhaps since it includes several EPCOT attractions in addition to the Tommorrowland attractions. Maybe Discoveryland would fit this area better instead.

Well, those are my opinions. I'd like to see the Studios soon.

Thanks for the feedback! I certainly could use the information/opinions you suggested! :sohappy:

 

[imagineer boy]

Originally posted by KentB3


I think Critter Country and Libery Square are just fine, even though smaller sections, both DL Anaheim and WDW have smaller themed sections. (WDW has Liberty Square and DL has New Orleans Square and Critter Country)



You're may be right about 20,000 Leagues. BTW, WDW's now-defunct 20,000 Leagues ride was in Fantasyland, and IMHO, Adventureland seems to fit better. I would like to include The Living Seas, but it probably doesn't fit in Adventureland to well either.



Personally, I think Critter Country is just fine, but you're right about IITBAB and Legend of the Lion King-- which would fit better at the studios. BTW, both Disneyland Anaheim and Tokyo Disneyland include Critter Country, so why can't it be included here?



Tokyo Disneyland has Mickey Mouse Review, which previosly existed at WDW prior to being taken to Tokyo. I doubt that many people would go all the way to Tokyo to see this, and many still have memories of MMR at WDW.



I completely disagree with you here. Many years ago, DL Anaheim had an Indian Village where Critter Country is currently located, which centered around American Indian/Native American culture. The Indian Circle was without a doubt the most memorable, where Indian/NA dancers demonstrated native ceremonial dance steps for the guests. Towards the end of the show, guests (children and adults alike) were invited to join them!
In fact, I have run across people on the Internet who are still disappointed that this was taken out of DL. IMHO, this would be a great addition to this Disney park, and giving it a Pocahontas theme would be a nice touch to it! Also, from what I've heard/read, Pocahontas is not an easy character to find for Meet & Greet at DL or WDW, so here they'll find her for sure!!!!!

BTW, Pocahontas Island was not originally my idea-- this came from an earlier proposal on this board by Meeko (IIRC, his real name is Gus Allen, judging from his AOL Instant Messenger screename). IMHO, this was undoubtedly the best part of his proposal!



See above in the Critter Country section.



The reason I included Daisy's boat was since Daisy wasn't, according who what I read/heard, avaliable for M&G with guests as often as people think she should, especially since Donald is in the "Big 5" characters (along with Mickey, Minnie, Goofy, & Pluto)
True, it was a bit redundant, so I guess Daisy could hang around with Donald on or near his boat!

Oddly enough, in WDW's Share a Dream Come True parade (the one with the snowglobes), Mickey Mouse is replaced by Peter Pan on the "Big 5" float, since Mickey has a float of his own!



Disneyland Anaheim has Innoventions and HISTA from Journey Into Imagination, so why not here? IMHO, Star Tours would fit better at the studios. Not sure about Rocket Rods, since I've never been to either of the Disney parks-- it just go by what I read, hear, or watch on TV or the Internet. BTW, PL Paris uses titles this section Discoveryland, perhaps since it includes several EPCOT attractions in addition to the Tommorrowland attractions. Maybe Discoveryland would fit this area better instead.



Thanks for the feedback! I certainly could use the information/opinions you suggested! :sohappy:

You're welcome! Happy to help. Let me provide some more feed back though.

Yes, all of the parks have a smaller section, but I think that you should do a new land because I think that every park needs a small different land ( despite the fact that Tokyo has Critter Country too ).

Trust me on the placement on 20000 Leagues and Living Seas. You can put 20000 Leagues in Tomorrowland.

Tokyo does have the mouse review, but I strongly suggest you put Phillarmagic there instead. Philarmagic is going to be a great show.

I've always thought the Indian show was too steriotype-ish. You can still have Pochahantas and a play ground called "pochahantas's Indian village" or somthing.

Daisy really isn't popular enough for her own house.

Disneyland has a terrible Tomorrowland. Innoventions really doesn't belong in Tomorrowland in my opinion. Tomorrowland is based off science fiction, not fact. HISTA can go in Tomorrowland, but JII doesn't really belong because JII is showing "how you can use your imagination", not a very appropriate theme to belong in tomorrowland.

As for Rockett Rods, it used to be in DL's tomorrowland, but due to all the budget cuts, it just traveled on the old people mover tracks. Its sort of like test track, except they didn't bank the curves, so the ride kept breaking down alot. Later, they got rid of it. You can still have it, but you'll have to have the turns banked.

I suggest that you put more original rides in your park because people will come and say, "Oh, this park doesn't have anything new. It just has stuff from the other disney parks." YOu don't want them to be saying stuff like that. Just my opinion.

 

[KentB3]

Originally posted by imagineer boy
You're welcome! Happy to help. Let me provide some more feed back though.

Yes, all of the parks have a smaller section, but I think that you should do a new land because I think that every park needs a small different land ( despite the fact that Tokyo has Critter Country too ).

Trust me on the placement on 20000 Leagues and Living Seas. You can put 20000 Leagues in Tomorrowland.

Not sure about Tommorrowland. As I said earlier, WDW had 20,000 Leagues in Fantasyland, so it could go in Adventureland just as easily.

BTW, since the Tommorrowland concept becomes outdated sooner than the other sections of the park(s) (IIRC, both WDW and Disneyland Anaheim have revamped their Tommorrowland sections recently), a better idea would be to title the area Discoveryland, as in the case of Disneyland Paris. Their Discoveryland is sort of a combination Tommorrowland and Epcot, so both 20,000 Leagues and Living Seas could fit in this proposed park's Discoveryland as well.

Tokyo does have the mouse review, but I strongly suggest you put Phillarmagic there instead. Philarmagic is going to be a great show.

The reason I included Mickey Mouse Review was because WDW has Philarmagic, and I wanted to differentiate a few attractions for this park, so people would come here in addition to visiting WDW, and I doubt that many people in the U.S. would travel all the way to Tokyo. My first choice for this proposed park would be somewhere in the U.S.-- particuarly Hawaii, with Australia as a second choice.

I've always thought the Indian show was too steriotype-ish. You can still have Pochahantas and a play ground called "pochahantas's Indian village" or somthing.

Stereotype-ish, maybe, but offensive? Hardly! Watching and participating with American Indian/Native American dancers is, IMHO, one of the best ways to learn about their culture. Basically, this area is DL Anaheim's now-defunct Indian Village, with a Pocahontas theme added to it. I know that Meeko/aka Gus Allen would completely disagree with this, since he was the first to come up with the idea!

Daisy really isn't popular enough for her own house.

Disneyland has a terrible Tomorrowland. Innoventions really doesn't belong in Tomorrowland in my opinion. Tomorrowland is based off science fiction, not fact. HISTA can go in Tomorrowland, but JII doesn't really belong because JII is showing "how you can use your imagination", not a very appropriate theme to belong in tomorrowland.

See above where I suggested replacing Tommorrowland with the much more versatile Discoveryland.

As for Rockett Rods, it used to be in DL's tomorrowland, but due to all the budget cuts, it just traveled on the old people mover tracks. Its sort of like test track, except they didn't bank the curves, so the ride kept breaking down alot. Later, they got rid of it. You can still have it, but you'll have to have the turns banked.

Good thing you brought that up! Since I have never been to any of Disney's Parks, I have no knowledge of such topics. BTW, I think I'll just drop Rocket Rods, due to the problems and since DL Anaheim already has this attraction.

I suggest that you put more original rides in your park because people will come and say, "Oh, this park doesn't have anything new. It just has stuff from the other disney parks." YOu don't want them to be saying stuff like that. Just my opinion.

That was I mentioned above on this reply, and also the reason I have the mouse revue instead of Philharmagic, Pocahontas Island instead of Tom Sawyer's Island, and now Discoveryland replacing Tommorrowland.

BTW, is there anyone else here who would like to comment, make suggestions or comments? So far, only one person has responded so far, and I need MUCH more feedback. I look forward to hearing from all of you!