More places to get beer and wine at the Magic Kingdom

Bocabear

Bocabear

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but has that been a problem at Disney Hollywood Studios? Because they have had ODV carts selling beer from the beginning... and in the context of a restaurant and a meal, I don't see a problem...
Have their been reports about drunken guests at Be Our Guest? I have not heard of any...
 
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Aqueeta

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Bocabear said:
but has that been a problem at Disney Hollywood Studios? Because they have had ODV carts selling beer from the beginning... and in the context of a restaurant and a meal, I don't see a problem...
Have their been reports about drunken guests at Be Our Guest? I have not heard of any...
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I agree that you won't have an issue with alcohol at any of the parks other than Epcot, in particular WS. This is due to the non-vacationing patrons liking the slower pace of WS as well as the number of venues in which they can obtain a drink. Disney needs to continue to raise 1 day passes and eliminate the payment plan on APs in order to keep the non-vacationing patrons away.
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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Bocabear said:
but has that been a problem at Disney Hollywood Studios? Because they have had ODV carts selling beer from the beginning... and in the context of a restaurant and a meal, I don't see a problem...
Have their been reports about drunken guests at Be Our Guest? I have not heard of any...
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Historically DHS has never had crowding issues with the exception of SWW parades and NYE, So the triggers for ugly incidents don't for the most part exist. I've never seen Disney security frogmarch a drunk out of DHS or AK (where they have the nice Dawa Bar), That's not the case for WS on F&W weekends where I HAVE seen Disney security frogmarching one or more, And MK is exponentially more crowded than all the other parks.

It's always this combination HEAT + CROWDING + ALCOHOL = NOT GOOD take any element away and you no longer have a problem.

This is why alcohol sales WORK in the other 3 parks they simply don't have the crowding that MK has.
 
Mr. Peabody

Mr. Peabody

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ford91exploder said:
The problem is not going to be when someone has a couple beers or glasses of wine at a TS venue,

It's going to come when every ODV cart is selling alcohol. That's when this will turn ugly Heat Crowding and Booze is a bad combo. Up here we have bike week and the heat crowding and booze always leads to fights the simple fact is there are always a few who CANNOT drink responsibly and in a densely packed crowd which lets face it is the MK most days of the year that fraction of irresponsible drinkers always cause issues ranging from annoying behavior to violence.
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ford91exploder said:
Historically DHS has never had crowding issues with the exception of SWW parades and NYE, So the triggers for ugly incidents don't for the most part exist. I've never seen Disney security frogmarch a drunk out of DHS or AK (where they have the nice Dawa Bar), That's not the case for WS on F&W weekends where I HAVE seen Disney security frogmarching one or more, And MK is exponentially more crowded than all the other parks.

It's always this combination HEAT + CROWDING + ALCOHOL = NOT GOOD take any element away and you no longer have a problem.

This is why alcohol sales WORK in the other 3 parks they simply don't have the crowding that MK has.
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Such incidents are the exception, not the norm. Quit acting like MK will devolve into anarchy because of a few bad actors. Disney security is more than capable of handling the occasional troublemaker.
 
LuvtheGoof

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ford91exploder said:
The problem is not going to be when someone has a couple beers or glasses of wine at a TS venue,

It's going to come when every ODV cart is selling alcohol. That's when this will turn ugly Heat Crowding and Booze is a bad combo. Up here we have bike week and the heat crowding and booze always leads to fights the simple fact is there are always a few who CANNOT drink responsibly and in a densely packed crowd which lets face it is the MK most days of the year that fraction of irresponsible drinkers always cause issues ranging from annoying behavior to violence.
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Wow. You guys are hilarious!! Y'all are arguing about something that hasn't even happened yet, and not one insider or CM has been here to state that it is definitely happening in the restaurants, much less any kind of cart. One person said one person told him it was coming. Must have been a bus driver, since no one else has verified the claims at all.
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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Mr. Peabody said:
Such incidents are the exception, not the norm. Quit acting like MK will devolve into anarchy because of a few bad actors. Disney security is more than capable of handling the occasional troublemaker.
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It will be fun to watch the brawl(s) which erupt because someone bumped an aggressive drunk at FoF or MSEP on YouTube when this finally goes into effect. I'll have a nice big bowl of popcorn and of course my favorite adult beverage to enjoy while watching.

I have 3 rules for evaluating Disney rumors

1 It will take increased CAPEX and/or OPEX = NOT HAPPENING
2 it will increase the bottom line immediately = HAPPENING
3 it will save money for Disney = HAPPENING

Broad based alcohol sales in the MK satisfies rule # 2 so I'm pretty sure it will happen.
 
Bocabear

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well if you could add conservatively an additional $20 per restaurant guest per table service meal, that would increase the bottom line by millions... Magic Kingdom gets approximately 20 million visitors a year...let's just say 1/4 of those visitors will have 2 beers...That's like an additional 100 million dollars in revenue...Unfortunately that profit will not find it's way back into the parks...
 
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Mr. Peabody

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ford91exploder said:
It will be fun to watch the brawl(s) which erupt because someone bumped an aggressive drunk at FoF or MSEP on YouTube when this finally goes into effect. I'll have a nice big bowl of popcorn and of course my favorite adult beverage to enjoy while watching.
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I'm sure such incidents occasionally flare up in MK already without the assistance of alcohol. The other WDW parks are not facing problematic levels of violence and bad behavior because of alcohol service, even on busy days, and MK will not be any different if the company decides to similarly expand alcohol service there (keep in mind, this is still just a rumor). I have seen more bad behavior in WDW from soccer moms and large tour groups of children and teenagers than from drunks, of whom I have seen very few in WDW.
 
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ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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Mr. Peabody said:
I'm sure such incidents occasionally flare up in MK already without the assistance of alcohol. The other WDW parks are not facing problematic levels of violence and bad behavior because of alcohol service, even on busy days, and MK will not be any different if the company decides to similarly expand alcohol service there (keep in mind, this is still just a rumor). I have seen more bad behavior in WDW from soccer moms and large tour groups of children and teenagers than from drunks, of whom I have seen very few in WDW.
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It's the CROWDING that's a problem at the MK none of the other parks are nuts to butts crowded as the MK is, If you recall alcohol reduces inhibitions which is why trouble ALWAYS starts with dense crowds and alcohol consumption because alcohol takes away that 'perhaps I should not do or say X factor'

In the Boston area both Fenway and Boston Garden usually cut off alcohol sales in the 7'th inning or 3'rd quarter but I've been there when the crowds have been rowdy and the alcohol sales are cut off early to prevent trouble from breaking out. Same deal at the NASCAR venue up here if the crowds are getting ugly, Alcohol sales are stopped my Robotics team runs a food booth which happens to sell alcohol but alcohol sales are managed by the track and more than once we've shut down beer/wine sales early but continued to sell hot food and soft drinks because the fans are getting too aggressive.
 
IMFearless

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It's a shame they can't make all alcohol sales via MagicBand only.

That way they could monitor and potentially limit sales where it is obvious people are drinking excessively.

I guess the difficulty comes in judging what is excessive, but it would at least take the pressure off cast members who have the difficult job of using their discretion about when to refuse service.

I'm sure there are all sorts of privacy issues and other problems I haven't thought of but I guess MagicBands could help them monitor alcohol sales and guest behaviour in relation to alcohol more than in the past. Again, I realise locals would not necessarily be staying onsite.

Also, I realise it is a tiny fraction of guests who are ever going to cause a problem.
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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IMFearless said:
It's a shame they can't make all alcohol sales via MagicBand only.

That way they could monitor and potentially limit sales where it is obvious people are drinking excessively.

I guess the difficulty comes in judging what is excessive, but it would at least take the pressure off cast members who have the difficult job of using their discretion about when to refuse service.

I'm sure there are all sorts of privacy issues and other problems I haven't thought of but I guess MagicBands could help them monitor alcohol sales and guest behaviour in relation to alcohol more than in the past. Again, I realise locals would not necessarily be staying onsite.

Also, I realise it is a tiny fraction of guests who are ever going to cause a problem.
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Yeah that's always been my thought link alcohol purchases to a MB and include a pic which comes up on the CM's terminal so you eliminate swapping of bands and limit purchases to say 2 per hour per band and you free the CM of the need to validate ID You could even do this with plain card media - you wanna drink we get your pic.

And you are correct it's going to be 0.01% of the population who do this but in a park which has 50-75,000 people there on an average day that 0.01% is a fairly substantial number.
 
MagicRat

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I repeat, meltdowns happen anyway at the MK. Sometimes it is a partner "OD"ing or some free meal planner overeating their way to unhappiness. I have not seen solid proof that alcohol sales will increase danger in the parks. It is just the prescious few who want it the way it is, who are complaining. People who are drunks are bringing "water bottles" in anyway. Alcohol is legal in the US grow up and move on. Incidentally I will still enjoy my walk from BLT to the MK after an afternoon swim with my favorite cold brew in hand!
 
MagicRat

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What else are we going to do, have Disney security at gate check inspect medical prescriptions for opioids? Tell the clean looking mom, that she can't bring in her psychotic medicines because they calm her ( oh yeah I think those are over prescribed too). Tell the fat family they can't come in. Look people this non drinking rule was made in the beginning to make money, now it doesn't make sense, get over it. But man it is enjoying reading it!
 
BuddyThomas

BuddyThomas

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MagicRat said:
People who are drunks are bringing "water bottles" in anyway!
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Hey, that's Mr. Drunk to you. ;)

And it's called Magical Dasani Water.

And don't knock it until you water down a Dole Whip. Delicious.

But oh wait, I remember hearing that if you combine that with heat and crowds, it will cause massive brawls to break out all over the place, so you better not.
:)
 

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