More Disney Fun with Social Media (pics included!)

Atomicmickey

Well-Known Member
Right. I'd just like to know who they are.
And, WDW1974 seems to be plugged into reliable information. So, I wouldn't
doubt what he says.

So, let's take a different tack. Here are some sites I go to.

Which are unreliable because they're being paid off, and which aren't?
Who are the social media whores in this list?

www.wdwmagic.com
www..com
www.orlandothemeparknews.com
www.wdwinfo.com
www.wdwtoday.com
www.jimhillmedia.com
www.allears.net
www.laughingplace.com
www.blueskydisney.com
www.disneyreport.com
www.wdwfanboys.com
www.stitchkingdom.com
www.thedisneyblog.com
www.screamscape.com
www.
www.mouseplanet.com
www.micechat.com
www.imaginerding.com
www..com
www.disneytouristblog.com
www.touringplans.com
www.intercot.com
 

Atomicmickey

Well-Known Member
Wow, two of the sites don't even show up.
I take it somehow they are already "outed" or something?
There are no naughty words in their urls..
 

alissafalco

Well-Known Member
I am far from a conspiracy theorist. And I typically don't think too seriously about a corporation's defense strategy when it comes to negative feedback or criticism on forums or social media platforms like this.

But I will say - I have been a member of this site for years now. And a reader of it years before that. And I have never witnessed the kind of pro-Disney, anti-criticism campaigning that has been occuring just within the last few months. It is almost as if there has been a flood of these individuals within a relatively short period of time. I don't presume to know what has prompted this. Perhaps Disney acknowledges that certain members on here have connections and may leak information (a lot is happening after all), so they wish to badger and attempt to drive them out of certain websites and forums. Or it could be something as simple as a group(?) of cast members going rogue and wanting to defend their new employer.

Whatever it is...it seems very fishy and convenient. We have always had the occasional jt, or bulls, etc. But this is becoming a bit overwhelming. There seems to be very intentional distraction from topics, and very abrasive reactions and comments toward very certain individuals who not only give us a lot of the information we discuss, but also question the corporate strategy and culture of Disney. Just sayin...

Yes, and have you also noticed its always the newest members that are doing this. I find it amusing that if you look at their post count and date that they joined its always a date from yesterday or today and they have a total of 10 posts.
 

menamechris

Well-Known Member
Yes, and have you also noticed its always the newest members that are doing this. I find it amusing that if you look at their post count and date that they joined its always a date from yesterday or today and they have a total of 10 posts.

Exactly. And often they stick around for a few days or weeks - flooding the threads with posts - then seem to magically disappear - and someone else arrives to take their place.
 

Atomicmickey

Well-Known Member
Holy crap. A post of mine disappeared.

Now I'm paranoid. Did a mod do that? And if so, can I get a PM explaining
this to me?

I feel like I'm falling into the matrix or something.
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Holy crap. A post of mine disappeared.

Now I'm paranoid. Did a mod do that? And if so, can I get a PM explaining
this to me?

I feel like I'm falling into the matrix or something.
Moderators do not explain their actions. A lot of times if you have quoted something that a moderator decides crosses the line, your post gets removed as collateral damage.


OH...I see what post got removed. More than likely Steve removed it because of your spelling out of the links that are not allowed on his website for personal reasons.
 

Atomicmickey

Well-Known Member
Moderators do not explain their actions. A lot of times if you have quoted something that a moderator decides crosses the line, your post gets removed as collateral damage.


OH...I see what post got removed. More than likely Steve removed it because of your spelling out of the links that are not allowed on his website for personal reasons.

Honestly, this topic has me befuddled, and now it seems I'm making
enemies for just trying to understand . . ., and having posts deleted
for typing out websites. Maybe that's why all of this is so cryptic
and difficult. I'm sad.
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Honestly, this topic has me befuddled, and now it seems I'm making
enemies for just trying to understand . . ., and having posts deleted
for typing out websites. Maybe that's why all of this is so cryptic
and difficult. I'm sad.
Don't worry too much about having posts deleted. It happens to a lot of people eventually. Typing out a censored website is like skirting the profanity censor by substituting look-alike letters. It goes against the spirit of the rules.

There was history between the owner of one of those sites and this site that got a little ugly a few years back.

The other site, I'm not real sure about, but I'm sure there is a good reason for it also.
 

Atomicmickey

Well-Known Member
Don't worry too much about having posts deleted. It happens to a lot of people eventually. Typing out a censored website is like skirting the profanity censor by substituting look-alike letters. It goes against the spirit of the rules.

There was history between the owner of one of those sites and this site that got a little ugly a few years back.

The other site, I'm not real sure about, but I'm sure there is a good reason for it also.

Thank you for the polite explanation.
 

dreamfinder

Well-Known Member
That said, I really don't think Disney (finally) getting a Tumblr is really an experiment. It's a very popular website and Disney is honestly a little late to the party on this one. I can't speak on the selection process for the featured photographers, and don't really think Disney owes anybody an explanation on it. There are, however, bios of the people who have work featured on the site. I doubt anybody beyond a select few internet fans even cares.

The issues isn't that DisneyParks finally got a Tumblr. It's the fact that they are blurring the line between corporate message and fan participation. Most corporate social media sites do delineate that the content is the own, or that it is submitted by fans. If it does come from fans, or other outside sources, typically it is provided via a link or repost. But here, the content is provided inline, without a repost, but yet they are attributing the pictures to the photographers participating. If DisneyParks ran the Tumblr, and posted links to Flickr images, or reblogged other Tumblr posts, not a problem with that. In fact, I would think its awesome that they are helping to point out some of the amazing pictures that their fans take on a daily basis.

Now admittedly, I don't see a huge issue if the site stays images only. It's a bit more difficult to push an agenda through images. Now if they start showing images of a working Yeti, or other things in park that we know to be problem 99% of the time, then they have crossed a line.

But normally in a "project" such as this, the host/sponsor says that "We invited so and so to come to our parks to shoot pictures and show things from their vantage point." At least implying that the photographer benefited from a free trip. But here, nothing. I don't need to know that the photographer was put up in the Presidential Suite at the GF, ate at V&As each day, and was given an AP for life, just that WDW footed the bill for a week vacation.

Assuming we are allowing for Tumblr to be considered a blog, the FTC states the following

the post of a blogger who receives cash or in-kind payment to review a product is considered an endorsement. Thus, bloggers who make an endorsement must disclose the material connections they share with the seller of the product or service.
(http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2009/10/endortest.shtm)
Do we think that pictures of the parks are considered to be an a product review? Mommy blogs saying "Disney is awesome" definitely counts as a product review. But does posting an amazing picture of the parks? One could argue that by showing only positive good pictures, its a positive review, while if one searched out things like broken light bulbs, over flowing trash cans, peeling paint, etc, its a negative review. They are dancing around a fine line without disclosing what happened. If they were clearly using these images in a ad campaign, it's a non issue. But this Tumblr isn't explicitly an ad campaign.

I don't begrudge any of the photographers jumping on this offer, even if they weren't given a free trip the self promotion is a huge opportunity. But there is a fine line between fan made and company supported, and sites like that tend to cloud the boundary.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Assuming we are allowing for Tumblr to be considered a blog, the FTC states the following

(http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2009/10/endortest.shtm)
Do we think that pictures of the parks are considered to be an a product review? Mommy blogs saying "Disney is awesome" definitely counts as a product review. But does posting an amazing picture of the parks? One could argue that by showing only positive good pictures, its a positive review, while if one searched out things like broken light bulbs, over flowing trash cans, peeling paint, etc, its a negative review. They are dancing around a fine line without disclosing what happened. If they were clearly using these images in a ad campaign, it's a non issue. But this Tumblr isn't explicitly an ad campaign.

What perspective (pro or con) they provide is irrelevant to the issue of disclosure and the FTC.

This thread also assumes the photographers are the ones who pick what images get posted... when it's likely submissions to a editor who picks and publishes the works they want to be seen on the feed.

Disney makes it obvious right on the front page...
"Disney parks as seen through the eyes of selected photographers from around the world"

Where is it inferring anything but a selection from the artistic eye of a selected group of photographers - It doesn't say 'fans', it doesn't say 'recent vacationers who just now discovered the internet', it doesn't say "highlights of recent trip reports..." - there is no misleading or deception here.

It's a Disney sanctioned feed of pictures taken from a hand picked list of contributors. Its painfully obvious that this is a DISNEY feed, not a 'community' feed.

If Disney hid who was behind the feed... or where the images came from... there might be a point to be made. But they do neither. It's very clearly a Disney sanctioned feed, and if anyone thinks things from Disney, are not controlled by Disney... well then they need help.
 

BrightImagine

Well-Known Member
I just read this whole thread. Whew! Contentious. Lots of personal attacks.

If Spirit has a common thread in his posts, it's this. In ye olden days of newspapers, there was the concept of full disclosure. When a journalist was compensated by a company, or had a business relationship with a company, he or she would say so in order to disclose possible bias. I think Spirit is just saying that Disney bloggers and other genres of bloggers (such as the maligned "mommies") need to comport themselves as professional journalists, by disclosing when they have been compensated by Disney. And any sort of freebie should count as compensation.

This seems like common sense to me... why it's a basis for attacking Spirit I don't know.
 

muteki

Well-Known Member
It's all part of a much larger problem.

The big problem is that bloggers, and some well known Disney themed social media sites (maintained by people who are supposed to be independant and unbiased) are being given special or preferential treatment by 'sucking up' to Disney, and those who post truly unbiased reviews of their products find themselves on the outside looking in more often than not. So while they may not be directly on Disneys payroll, they are still being reimbursed in some form ... in any case I find it to be at the very least unethical, however sadly not surprising.

They aren't the only company that does this, and it irks me so much.
 

Atomicmickey

Well-Known Member
I was thinking overnight. Why am I thinking about this so much, I don't know.
But, obviously others are as well.

So, thinking about movies. I read a lot of movie websites and movie reviewers.
The "press junket", "press kit", "premiere screening" culture is now and always
has been pervasive. Generally from top reviewers on down, people get swag,
free screenings, and sometimes trips to huge premieres. Across the board, you
rarely read "I got in to see this movie for free, got a cool shirt, and free hors
d'oeuvres", even more rarely "they flew me out to see the movie", but we know
this goes on all the time. Disclosure is sporadic at best.

This seems to be a similar situation, building on an established model. I'm sure
this goes on in other industries as well. Actually, I've been the beneficiary of
exclusive tickets n' stuff before in my career, in both the film industry and the
games industry. I didn't blab about it on the internet, but I don't think anyone
would have cared . . .

Here's the deal. I don't doubt that this is happening. So many times I have
visited these sites and blogs and gone "they're there AGAIN?" "they're cruising AGAIN"?
I've been on a Disney cruise. It's a wallet emptying exercise. I have wondered how
these people with their non-1 percenter lives manage to get to the parks every six
weeks or so. It only makes sense that they're being subsidized.

So where should the pressure be applied, and to what end? There may be, probably
is, an agreement between the two, "if you talk about being subsidized, you no longer
will be". I don't know.

Is the point to stop the subsidizing? Or is the point just disclosure? Why should either
part of that arrangement consider this? I'd almost think the bloggers have the most
to lose. Disney will find other ways to market. These people would have their lifestyle
crashed, big time. It would be interesting.

As for me, I'd still like to sort out which sites and people are being discussed.

And, I'd like to know more about the website that Disney tried to shut down and how
they would do that.
 

COProgressFan

Well-Known Member
I am far from a conspiracy theorist. And I typically don't think too seriously about a corporation's defense strategy when it comes to negative feedback or criticism on forums or social media platforms like this.

But I will say - I have been a member of this site for years now. And a reader of it years before that. And I have never witnessed the kind of pro-Disney, anti-criticism campaigning that has been occuring just within the last few months. It is almost as if there has been a flood of these individuals within a relatively short period of time. I don't presume to know what has prompted this. Perhaps Disney acknowledges that certain members on here have connections and may leak information (a lot is happening after all), so they wish to badger and attempt to drive them out of certain websites and forums. Or it could be something as simple as a group(?) of cast members going rogue and wanting to defend their new employer.

Whatever it is...it seems very fishy and convenient. We have always had the occasional jt, or bulls, etc. But this is becoming a bit overwhelming. There seems to be very intentional distraction from topics, and very abrasive reactions and comments toward very certain individuals who not only give us a lot of the information we discuss, but also question the corporate strategy and culture of Disney. Just sayin...

I agree with you, and have noticed this as well in recent months. It is actually quite disturbing. I don't know what the cause is (Disney plants, fanboy anger or frustration, people getting heated about the never-ending presidential campaign, or a general inability to rationally and reasonably discuss things) but it should be of concern to anyone who visits this site.

Let's get back to discussing WDW in a rational, adult manner.
 

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