Cmdr_Crimson
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Laugh Floor idea just being moved from MK to DHS..Then closing MLF and removing Buzz down the line gutting both buildings for one big attraction.."IF" and "When" Tomorrowland gets reimagined..
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News Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios
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mattpeto
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Drew the Disney Dude
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Agreed, and the fact that Monsters is a mostly reimagined area means that the construction time will be quicker. I think that summer 2028 is a real possibility with only one building being demolished and one building being built.
Mr. Sullivan
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See I don’t see this as a shoehorning at all. This marriage makes perfect sense, both in terms of the ride itself and the land its existing in.
Probably Laugh Floor, Mike’s Comedy Class from Monsters at Work, or Put That Thing Back Where It Came from or so Help Me.
Vegas Disney Fan
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After spending some time looking at the renderings I am thrilled with how the land looks, just wish it was going in a different area. The land itself looks great though.
NelsonRD
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The problem is they have the age groups backwards. MuppetVision appeals to all ages, something that is needed in a park that has so few offerings for families with young children. Then adding muppets to a launch inversion coaster where the target guest for that attraction is teens to adults, who no longer relate to puppets. It doesn’t fit.
If muppetVision had to go for Monsters, instead of shoving the muppets into Rockin Rollercoaster, they should have moved them into Monsters Inc. Laugh Floor at MK.
The Leader of the Club
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The thing is, adults are going to go on RnRC regardless of its theme. They only really care that it’s a fun coaster with inversions and rock music. It’ll still be that after the refurb.
Yes, but the flip side of this you lose another no height requirement non coaster major attraction.
lazyboy97o
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A 2 liter bottle only holds 2 liters. How much it can hold doesn’t change based on how much you put in it, much less somehow increase. Capacity is not utilization.
Ongoing peak utilization is also not desirable. The design day capacity program of a theme park should exceed the average day utilization. The most practical reason for this can be seen with regular frequency at Epcot and Disney’s Hollywood Studios where attractions going down causes a significant cascading effect on wait times not just in the immediate area but across the entire park. The parks are incapable of handling routine fluctuations in demand.
The formula for both instantaneous and hourly capacity is based on seats. That’s it. Reducing cycle times isn’t just theoretical, it does increase hourly capacity. One of the things that was unique about early Disneyland is that the park eventually set ride times. Even the flat rides were going to have a consistent experience instead of cutting down ride times to get people through when it is busy.I assume he meant the latter. The physical number of seats available don’t increase (especially since they are brand new seats) but the number of butts in the seats will. Theoretically if the show was half as long it would also double the available hourly available capacity but we have no indication if it will be longer, shorter or the same length.
Cycle times is also why continuous theater shows are of better service with a lower utilization than other types of experiences like rides. The whole reason Disney uses groupers at rides is to maximize efficiency. People don’t just sort themselves into the most efficient arrangements. Imagine how much longer it would take to get on Star Tours if they just lumped 40ish people together and told everyone to figure out seating for themselves when the doors open. It’d be a nightmare but now multiple that by at least 10. In a continuous theater you want to be able to just open the doors, have people enter, sit down and start the show. That requires empty seats so that there is room for however people sort themselves otherwise you have to take the time to move people around. Moving people around takes time which means you’re increasing the cycle time and thus decreasing hourly capacity. You could sort people beforehand like in the rides but that will require additional staffing to do that work, not to mention additional space to divide and hold people. For continuous theaters it is not actually efficient to seek very high utilization.
The Leader of the Club
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We aren’t really losing it if MuppetVision becomes a Monsters Show.
NelsonRD
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I agree, and I will be one of them. But I will be reminded that Rockin Rollercoaster could be better, and I don’t like it when things are not as good as they can be.
Ok, so what are some other big famous armchair imagineering ideas? I wanna know what future additions are gonna be /hj
Because if it stays in this direction, I will be hyped for inside out in wonders of life, the sugar rush Tomorrowland speedway redo, and the beastly kingdom revival.
Because if it stays in this direction, I will be hyped for inside out in wonders of life, the sugar rush Tomorrowland speedway redo, and the beastly kingdom revival.
SplashJacket
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The reaction to this should be positive, IMHO.
To me, the main concern with losing Muppets was we would be losing a no-wait, well-enjoyed, air-conditioned for a mid-capacity attraction.
We're not losing that, and that whole area, which feels very awkward with the ugly gift shop and side facade of muppets will be an improvement. I'd also expect the food to become far better and more interesting.
We aren't even losing Muppets, which I take as a positive sign for Figment. Parks fans would be far more negative to losing Figment than losing Muppets, yet they're going to non-negligible lengths to appease Parks fans.
We might not even be losing MV3D. If Rockin goes Muppets, use the villains show to test and adjust the palatability of villains and what people want from them.
The only villainous (non-halloween) attraction I can think of was the dreadfully bad Villains Tonight! on Disney Cruise line, so it's worth bringing a draw for a couple of years and getting valuable feedback. If people find the show too tame, they can make it more villainous and then see how GSATs react. Once Villain land opens/nears opening, put MV3D in the spot, completing a Muppets mini-land.
To me, the main concern with losing Muppets was we would be losing a no-wait, well-enjoyed, air-conditioned for a mid-capacity attraction.
We're not losing that, and that whole area, which feels very awkward with the ugly gift shop and side facade of muppets will be an improvement. I'd also expect the food to become far better and more interesting.
We aren't even losing Muppets, which I take as a positive sign for Figment. Parks fans would be far more negative to losing Figment than losing Muppets, yet they're going to non-negligible lengths to appease Parks fans.
We might not even be losing MV3D. If Rockin goes Muppets, use the villains show to test and adjust the palatability of villains and what people want from them.
The only villainous (non-halloween) attraction I can think of was the dreadfully bad Villains Tonight! on Disney Cruise line, so it's worth bringing a draw for a couple of years and getting valuable feedback. If people find the show too tame, they can make it more villainous and then see how GSATs react. Once Villain land opens/nears opening, put MV3D in the spot, completing a Muppets mini-land.
Jrb1979
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How many years away will that be? 10 or more?
Charlie The Chatbox Ghost
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It’s 99% the last one, the nostalgia for that bit will prevail anything else. They need a guaranteed people eater so they need to play it obvious and easy. Stage shows are such a hard sell as it is.
Mr. Sullivan
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See I don’t think the Muppets’ main audience is kids. Its us.
The little kids still get to have a show that is cute and funny and has no height requirement, but with characters that are more relevant to them than the Muppets. MuppetVision is a family attraction, but so will the new Monsters show. In terms of demographics, adults are currently (and have been for most of the Muppets’ existence) older people who will be riding the coaster anyway.
Mr. Sullivan
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We’re not losing a non-coaster no height requirement attraction. We will still have that. MuppetVision is going, but the thing itself—a for all families show—isn’t.
If the show happens..yes.
The park for two years-ish...yes. Yes it is. The park should not be losing that attraction right now. And it is fair to say not on the same scale as Muppet Vision 3D with any sense of reasonableness. Not a major no height requirementa attraction. Just same building.