Money committed to EPCOT...

[po1998]

Sometime in the future(5 years?) there will be money committed to EPCOT(350 mil?). To those well versed in costs of rehabs, how far will this money go? Enough to rehab UoE, JII and WoL pavilions(making them places that guests want to once again visit?) and an attraction somewhere in WS? Finish the descent of SSE?

Thanks!

 

[Horizons '83]

Sometime in the future(5 years?) there will be money committed to EPCOT(350 mil?). To those well versed in costs of rehabs, how far will this money go? Enough to rehab UoE, JII and WoL pavilions(making them places that guests want to once again visit?) and an attraction somewhere in WS? Finish the descent of SSE?

Thanks!

I think everything you said there is wishful thinking. This will most likely be used to "refresh" the park, maybe some pluses here and there but certainly wouldn't expect much to be done with that budget. I think Marni has stated that something is in the works on a larger scale but we are VERY far from announcement.

 

[Tom]

I can't comment on the reality of any of that, but for $350M to cover all those things, they would have to use the pavilions/buildings as-is (like Maelstrom re do), and even then, it would be several mediocre refurbs, or one semi major, and a few overlays.

$350M doesn't go very far at WDW.

 

[po1998]

I can't comment on the reality of any of that, but for $350M to cover all those things, they would have to use the pavilions/buildings as-is (like Maelstrom re do), and even then, it would be several mediocre refurbs, or one semi major, and a few overlays.

$350M doesn't go very far at WDW.

Thank you. That answers my question. Here's hoping a larger pool of money is allocated to fix the Future World attractions in bad shape.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Sometime in the future(5 years?) there will be money committed to EPCOT(350 mil?). To those well versed in costs of rehabs, how far will this money go? Enough to rehab UoE, JII and WoL pavilions(making them places that guests want to once again visit?) and an attraction somewhere in WS? Finish the descent of SSE?

Thanks!

Each of the three refurbs in FW that you list could be covered by the rumored budget, but not in addition to a new attraction for WS. Any new WS pavilion would easily cost $350m on its own.

 

[MrHappy]

I think everything you said there is wishful thinking. This will most likely be used to "refresh" the park, maybe some pluses here and there but certainly wouldn't expect much to be done with that budget. I think Marni has stated that something is in the works on a larger scale but we are VERY far from announcement.

I'm pretty new here, who is Marni? Marni was also sited in the Frozen Ever After thread as some type of insider. Like a Stephen A Smith of sorts (if you follow ESPN/Basketball)....and insiders are like broken clocks and blind rats. Not to knock Marni, just want to get some credentials and history/track record before believing what this person writes.

On topic, if great rides and renovations aren't in the budget I hope they do some very technology advanced things - using the Magic Band for special things "only at EPCOT" seems to fit the spirit/vision of the park.

 

[JenniferS]

I'm pretty new here, who is Marni? Marni was also sited in the Frozen Ever After thread as some type of insider. Like a Stephen A Smith of sorts (if you follow ESPN/Basketball)....and insiders are like broken clocks and blind rats. Not to knock Marni, just want to get some credentials and history/track record before believing what this person writes.

On topic, if great rides and renovations aren't in the budget I hope they do some very technology advanced things - using the Magic Band for special things "only at EPCOT" seems to fit the spirit/vision of the park.

You were already told in the Frozen thread that Marni is legit. Why pose the question again?

 

[PhotoDave219]

I'm pretty new here, who is Marni? Marni was also sited in the Frozen Ever After thread as some type of insider. Like a Stephen A Smith of sorts (if you follow ESPN/Basketball)....and insiders are like broken clocks and blind rats. Not to knock Marni, just want to get some credentials and history/track record before believing what this person writes.

On topic, if great rides and renovations aren't in the budget I hope they do some very technology advanced things - using the Magic Band for special things "only at EPCOT" seems to fit the spirit/vision of the park.

You need to read these forums and figure out who the major players are before posting them.

Your question would be if someone walked into the United Center in Chicago and asked "Who is Michael Jordan?"

 

[PhotoDave219]

You were already told in the Frozen thread that Marni is legit. Why pose the question again?

Trolls gonna troll.

 

[asianway]

I'm pretty new here, who is Marni? Marni was also sited in the Frozen Ever After thread as some type of insider. Like a Stephen A Smith of sorts (if you follow ESPN/Basketball)....and insiders are like broken clocks and blind rats. Not to knock Marni, just want to get some credentials and history/track record before believing what this person writes.

On topic, if great rides and renovations aren't in the budget I hope they do some very technology advanced things - using the Magic Band for special things "only at EPCOT" seems to fit the spirit/vision of the park.

Maybe you should find another message board. You might hurt yourself here

 

[MrHappy]

Trolls gonna troll.

Easy fellas. Marni = MJ. Okay.
"Marni is legit". Okay. Sure, 'nuff said, please don't elaborate. I'll just follow this Great and Powerful Oz of Disney boards too then.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Easy fellas. Marni = MJ. Okay.
"Marni is legit". Okay. Sure, 'nuff said, please don't elaborate. I'll just follow this Great and Powerful Oz of Disney boards too then.

You could always follow General Grizz and exit stage-left.

 

[MrHappy]

You could always follow General Grizz and exit stage-left.

I love the passion for Marni (subsequent hatred for me). Very impressive. I can't wait for more Marni insight.

 

[R W B]

I can't comment on the reality of any of that, but for $350M to cover all those things, they would have to use the pavilions/buildings as-is (like Maelstrom re do), and even then, it would be several mediocre refurbs, or one semi major, and a few overlays.

$350M doesn't go very far at WDW.

Each of the three refurbs in FW that you list could be covered by the rumored budget, but not in addition to a new attraction for WS. Any new WS pavilion would easily cost $350m on its own.

This is something ive never understood, why do Disney projects cost sooooo much? I could build an incredible mansion with high tech galore everything for $20-$30mil easily. It's not like they gotta buy ocean front property on the Cali coast too, they already own it. I know theirs a support building/s and what not but I just can't see why a new WS pavilion would cost that much without a ride, but they do. Why?

You were already told in the Frozen thread that Marni is legit. Why pose the question again?

Nothing to add to the thread other then bash the new guy, gotcha.

 

[marni1971]

I love the passion for Marni (subsequent hatred for me). Very impressive. I can't wait for more Marni insight.

No noooo y'all, please don't! Welcome @MrHappy

I do my best. I'm not always right - and am hopefully the first to admit that - but I do try, and try to only post what I think could be right.

 

[MrHappy]

No noooo y'all, please don't! Welcome MrHappy.

I do my best. I'm not always right but I do try, and try to only post what I think could be right.

Thanks for the reply Marni, you clearly are very well respected and do some great work around here. Sorry for the firestorm folks, lets talk about Figment now, okay? Please?

 

[JenniferS]

Thanks for the reply Marni, you clearly are very well respected and do some great work around here. Sorry for the firestorm folks, lets talk about Figment now, okay? Please?

I don't get the Figment love, but my uber cool, football-playing, 19 year old son is still Figment obsessed. T-shirts, touques, antenna balls, key chains, magnets ... you name it.

 

[TBrooker11]

The first time I went on Figment was about a year ago. And I remember going through the ride thinking "Holy Crap this has to be a joke, this sucks".

Now I love Figment, not sure how or why it happened but he is one of my favorite characters and it is one of my favorite rides at Epcot now. Maybe for the short line haha.

As far as a $350 M budget I have to agree that I doubt it would do much. Stuff at Disney costs so much because of the wear and tear it needs to withstand with thousands of people riding a ride each day or tens of thousands of people going through the area. Plus Disney doesn't skimp on most projects so it ends up costing some serious money.

Right now with Soarin being redone I won't be spending a ton of time in Epcot. Everything looks so old and worn down and there is not really a ton to do in my opinion. Which is weird because it is close to being my favorite park haha. I just know Test Track will be terrible as far as wait times go with Soarin having work done on it.

I would love to see something better go into the Captain EO area, and Universe of Energy be changed into something else, another ride that doesn't take 45 minutes and is updated perhaps. Of course that would go way over the budget of $350 M.

 

[marni1971]

Stuff at Disney costs so much because of the wear and tear it needs to withstand .

It costs more due to the ways costs are allocated, the cost of design, procurement and execution. Basically it's become a bloated corporate mess that has no one to answer to.

One example that sums it up well. WDI designed a light fitting for DLP. The bulbs finally blew. WDI stipulated that only they could supply the replacement. Instead of a local firm supplying a new bulb within days, the bulbs had to be ordered from Glendale and shipped 8000 miles. And priced accordingly.

With no one able to disagree.

Or put another way. How could Forbidden Journey come in at $85 million? Not choosing Universal specifically, just as a generic example. It shows it still can be done.

 

[TBrooker11]

It costs more due to the ways costs are allocated, the cost of design, procurement and execution. Basically it's become a bloated corporate mess that has no one to answer to.

One example that sums it up well. WDI designed a light fitting for DLP. The bulbs finally blew. WDI stipulated that only they could supply the replacement. Instead of a local firm supplying a new bulb within days, the bulbs had to be ordered from Glendale and shipped 8000 miles. And priced accordingly.

With no one able to disagree.

Or put another way. How could Forbidden Journey come in at $85 million? It shows it still can be done.

Yeah that is what I meant haha. That does not surprise me at all. The way Disney does some stuff makes no logical sense at all but who am I to question what is quite possibly the biggest company in the world.