mickEblu
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That’s a good point. I don’t think they ve been doing pyro during the week so this would only impact weekends. Not sure if Friday is included as part of the weekend.
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Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway - Disneyland
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That’s a good point. I don’t think they ve been doing pyro during the week so this would only impact weekends. Not sure if Friday is included as part of the weekend.
truecoat
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Being that it opened just 2 months after ROTR, 9 months after GE, and less than 2 years after TSL, the whole park was full of new attractions.
Disney Analyst
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Professortango1
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VQ bloats the system. Rather than letting me wait for 2-4 hours to ride Rise, Disney would rather determine if I get to ride based upon a Wifi race at 8 AM. Why would I pay to visit Disneyland if I can be forbidden to wait in line for the ride I am paying to visit? I guarantee a large portion of the individuals snagging virtual queue spots for the 8th time would not wait hours to ride, yet they are given a spot despite someone like myself willing to invest that time.
Rides should be standby. If you want to ride, get in line. If the line is too long, then I suppose the ride isn't worth as much to you as it is to the people in line.
CaptinEO
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It makes no sense. Queues always worked.
If a ride is brand new and the wait is 4 hours, those that want to wait 4 hours can choose to do so.
If someone doesn't care, they can wait a few more months for better wait times.
Demand will always level out.
Virtual Queues just leave it up to chance and Instant Lightning Lanes turn it into the haves and the have nots.
Brer Oswald
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I’m a super huge fan of Mickey Mouse and the concept of the ride (being immersed in an actual Mickey Mouse cartoon) had me completely sold. It completely let me down as a Mickey fan and theme park fan. That’s why I’m negative about it. They fumbled the bag on a great ride concept that they probably won’t try again.
DrAlice
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In this instance (with the land not being open yet), I can actually understand those in charge of operations wanting to use a VQ. It is the addition of a lightning lane charge ON TOP of this that is shameless to me. If I'm going to have to jump through hoops to have access to the ride (and I may not get access!!!), I don't want to then end up in a bloated line with a huge wait time because I refuse to plunk down more cash. If they have the space to bloat the line with ILL, then they don't need a VQ and can just let people wait (or not) as they see fit. Doing both just feels
like another cash grab wrapped up in the guise of "Disney service".
Where is Ops going to put a 4 hour standby line?
DrAlice
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Where is Ops going to put the giant standby line they get as a result of ILL? That's my point. If it were up to me, I would just have VQ only while initial demand is high.
ILL doesn't get giant lines. They sell a limited number and they're have a scheduled call back during the day.
choco choco
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Even if it had been true, just because the Eastern Gateway got cancelled doesn't mean it couldn't still have been put in DCA. There was plenty of space behind California Screamin' and it would have fit just fine with the Paradise Pier theme. And there were ways to rejigger and shrink the drop-off loops on the eastern side - and to take advantage of a completely empty building (or two) in Hollywoodland - to fit the ride in even if they hadn't wanted to put it in the back of the park.
California Adventure desperately needed this ride. Desperately. It honestly hurts that they put this into Disneyland, knowing what could have been.
DrAlice
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I know the ILL doesn't have a long line, that's why people pay for it. The policy of putting 30-1 LL guests to standby guests (or whatever ridiculous ratio is going on these days) causes the standby line to balloon to ridiculous proportions. So, again, if you are going to make me jump through some lottery hoops just to get a chance to ride and THEN you are going to make me stand in a line that is artificially longer than it should be because I didn't submit to extortion, that is ridiculous.
The LL line phenomenon has been discussed to death on this board and around the internet. I'm either a terrible communicator or you are being deliberately obtuse. Either way, I don't plan on going to DL anytime soon, so whatever. Agree to disagree. Have a good night.
I thought we were talking MMRR with VQ and ILL, both of which are metered with respect to the number of riders showing up.
Have you switched to talking about MMRR with ILL and no more VQ, but a Standby line? That's a different creature. Having ILL with Standy is just like having Genie+ with Standby or Fastpass with Standby. Those with the line-cutting attribute, whether it is ILL or G+ or FP, will indeed make the Standby line go slower. We agree there.
The overall effect of a line-cutting gimmick on rides overall in a park is hotly contested.
Californian Elitist
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The bottom line is any kind of system where there are two different lines, like LL, FP, etc., increases the standby wait times. Get rid of it all and just have standby.
Disney Irish
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I agree if they really wanted to put it in DCA they could have found a way.
On whether they should have put it there over TT because DCA desperately needed it, this debate has been many times since its been announced..... And well there is where I disagree and I'll just leave it at that.
Especially since ride capacity has not kept pace with attendance.
BrianLo
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Opening timeframe and newness aside, this ride will most certainly not carry an hour wait time long term. Its capacity is pretty reasonable and it's in a weird annexed area of Disneyland. Nothing to do with what I think about the ride (it's great!), but even in DHS, where it's literally front and centre I could consistently get on it in more reasonable timeframes.
I'm of two minds. DCA definitely needed it and would have been so much better for it. But the opportunity to find a ride that 'most' people are not saying will ruin Disneyland is far and few between. It's a good ride, in an appropriate place in Disneyland. Without the burden of having it constantly judged by what it replaced.
mickEblu
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Yeah I have to agree. Ideally it would have gone in DCA but I’m not mad at where it ended up.
You don’t think the line for MMRR will hover at around 45 min to an hour? Even with Genie + / ILL inflating the standby times? I guess if we go by how it’s doing at DHS (a park with 9 rides) you could be right. Although I wonder if people treating that park as a half day park kind of dirty that data.
PiratesMansion
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While the case could be made for putting Runaway Railway in DCA, I think that MMRR gives Toontown some much-needed attention and helps balance out the park a bit more.
Meanwhile DCA has more space to put in dumb nonsense that I don't care about, and there's now one less space available for them to do the same at DL. For me, it's a win for that reason alone.
Meanwhile DCA has more space to put in dumb nonsense that I don't care about, and there's now one less space available for them to do the same at DL. For me, it's a win for that reason alone.
mickEblu
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AND perhaps a clean slate and a nice plot of land for something ambitious for DCA between the backlot and eastern gateway expansion area. Probably for the best that the whole project gets done as far away from the Chapek era as possible.
Or it could be a gigantic Marvel land
