Merchandise at Epcot Norway is bad taste

Frank Stallone

New Member
The princess attire was put in there FOR THE GUESTS! Not for the selfish reason of "making money" (Disney doesn't have to worry too much about that). With Restaurant Akershus having Princesses attending for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, many young children like to dress as their favorite princess (this is obvious).

Unfortunately, many children were embarassed or saddened because they would show up in their regular attire, and be surrounded by girls their same age dressed as the princesses they were about to meet.

Add to that the fact that Restaurant Akershus uses "group seating", and there is often a group of princesses waiting outside of the restaurant. The last thing parents want is their children to be embarassed. Obviously, Mousegear is too far away to go run and get a costume if you're being seated in the restaurant in 15 minutes.

Please realize that this attire was put in the gift shop for the guests, not for selfish synergy reasons.
 

Imaginationeer

New Member
:mad: I don't see the big deal, when this country hosts a princess breakfast! If you didnt complain when the breakfasts started a couple of years ago, you shouldnt complain now!
 

Epcot82Guy

Well-Known Member
I would just like to note that many did (and still do) complain about the breakfast being there.

And thanks for the distinction, CoffeeJedi! :D
 

katie1335

New Member
thats norway

:( it happens alot trust me when i went to norway last year i was like oh what the heck is going on here it was packed of people so we had to wait a long time and we spent an hour in norway we could'nt take it so we went to the next country we got so freaking mad it was not funny:brick:
 

JiggleStuff

New Member
Please realize that this attire was put in the gift shop for the guests, not for selfish synergy reasons.


Right! And the admission booths are only there to make folks' wallets a little lighter, so they don't strain their lumbago walkin' around the parks laden with all that ca$h money!!!
 

missionspace

New Member
I hope they didn't get rid of the helly henson stuff and the dale of Norway hats and sweaters I buy one every year! I hope they still sell the shoes!
 

Glasgow

Well-Known Member
I understand your original point OP - it probably would be better to keep everything authentic. However, this is DISNEY WORLD, not the world's fair. It's a for-profit organization .. sad, but true.

Unfortunately, over exposure has killed a lot of brands in the past and I hope they don't just go after the almighty dollar above all else.
 

Frank Stallone

New Member
I hope they didn't get rid of the helly henson stuff and the dale of Norway hats and sweaters I buy one every year! I hope they still sell the shoes!

It's still there. No worries.

Also, keep in mind this is the smallest gift shop in Norway selling the Princess Attire. It is also conveniently the closest one to the restaurant.
 

JeffH

Active Member
Overboard.

I see no valid point here...
For 1 thing the pavilions are run by the countries, Disney only gets a SMALL percentage of the profits. So you can't blame Disney.
Nevertheless...
The restaurant; is still there, and so is most of the food. The fact that it is no longer a full buffet doesn't make it a bad restaurant, otherwise you are condemning all the WS restaurants except for Germany. Furthermore, with the entry and desert now table service, they receive quite a "royal" treatment. I've never seen a guest unhappy that 5 beautiful friendly women (dressed as princesses), visit their table whether they have children or not. And if seeing little princess girls full of excitement upsets you, then you don't really belong at WDW.
The ride is still there, and hasn't changed, the fact that most of the people bypass the film has nothing to do with anything. The ONLY shop that they've added princess stuff to is the small 1st shop that used to have basically nothing in it except a few books (Legos?) autograph books, post cards, pins and a penny crusher. There's nothing horrible about devoting ONE little shop to the little princesses of the world for their special time at Epcot (the month before Halloween). Hopefully THIS shop brings in enough money to pay the maintenance for the pavilion (I'm sure the $200 sweaters go like hotcakes), otherwise it will be shutdown like the Life pavilion, since Norway no longer contributes to the pavilion. Just keep up the “purist” talk and soon the whole pavilion will be closed for financial reasons.
Finally, the Viking ship has only been there about a decade, and without kids for almost 5 years, so it has little to do with the original Norway pavilion.

Oh, and before the characters and kidcot stations were brought into Epcot it was dying...the TRUE WDW caters to the ENTIRE family, THAT was Walt's dream.
 

Slowjack

Well-Known Member
The princess attire was put in there FOR THE GUESTS! Not for the selfish reason of "making money"
Ah, you're just kidding us. If that was the case they would just have costumes on a rack for girls to wear for the duration of the meal. You know, like some fancy restaurants have jackets for men who forgot to wear one.
 

Slowjack

Well-Known Member
I see no valid point here...
For 1 thing the pavilions are run by the countries, Disney only gets a SMALL percentage of the profits. So you can't blame Disney.
Nevertheless...
The restaurant; is still there, and so is most of the food. The fact that it is no longer a full buffet doesn't make it a bad restaurant, otherwise you are condemning all the WS restaurants except for Germany. Furthermore, with the entry and desert now table service, they receive quite a "royal" treatment. I've never seen a guest unhappy that 5 beautiful friendly women (dressed as princesses), visit their table whether they have children or not. And if seeing little princess girls full of excitement upsets you, then you don't really belong at WDW.
The ride is still there, and hasn't changed, the fact that most of the people bypass the film has nothing to do with anything. The ONLY shop that they've added princess stuff to is the small 1st shop that used to have basically nothing in it except a few books (Legos?) autograph books, post cards, pins and a penny crusher. There's nothing horrible about devoting ONE little shop to the little princesses of the world for their special time at Epcot (the month before Halloween). Hopefully THIS shop brings in enough money to pay the maintenance for the pavilion (I'm sure the $200 sweaters go like hotcakes), otherwise it will be shutdown like the Life pavilion, since Norway no longer contributes to the pavilion. Just keep up the “purist” talk and soon the whole pavilion will be closed for financial reasons.
Finally, the Viking ship has only been there about a decade, and without kids for almost 5 years, so it has little to do with the original Norway pavilion.

Oh, and before the characters and kidcot stations were brought into Epcot it was dying...the TRUE WDW caters to the ENTIRE family, THAT was Walt's dream.
I really don't know what kind of point you are making here. Let me see if I have this straight. Kidcot and characters are good because the TRUE WDW caters to the whole family. But of course Kidcot and characters cater to small children, so I guess you are saying the Epcot before didn't have enough to interest small children.

But...you realize that Viking ship you don't care about was there to cater to small children, right? But it's okay to close that because it's been gone for a while?

Then...we can't blame Disney for the merchandise sold in Norway because the country runs the pavilion, and Disney only gets a small piece.

But...we have to be glad the pavilion is still open, because the country no longer contributes? So...Norway or whoever has pulled sponsorship but still gets most of the profits?

Honestly it sounds like you are willing to grab for anything to excuse Disney.

But look, you know, I would agree that whether or not a certain peice of merchandise is sold at Norway is not, by itself, a big deal. The buffet going character dining, by itself, is not a big deal. All the other similar changes, each taken by themselves, are not a big deal.

BUT!

Do you know the paradox of the rich man? It goes like this:

1. If you have a dollar, you are not rich.
2. If you are not rich, and someone gives you a dollar, you are still not rich.

Most people would agreee with both of these statements. But the paradox is, if someone gives you a million dollars, one dollar at a time, you would, by these rules, still not be rich!

In the same way, we might say that one character breakfast, one out of place merchandise stand, doesn't change the character of a park. But even done one at a time, eventually a line is corssed even if we aren't sure where.

Of course you may be in the camp that wouldn't care if all the parks were the same in feel, in which case it wouldn't matter.
 

dopey

New Member
I went to Norway tonight and I saw in the last room of the merchandise section after you come off the ride, it was all filled up with Princess outfit stuff and what else. It was not this way earlier this year. I thought this was very bad taste and an insult to the Norwegians:mad: , especially considering this is their country's largest exhibition anywhere I believe. Why do we need a major section of it filled with random disney stuff which is made in CHINA no doubt, by young people making less than 5 dollars a day. Its dispicable.:( AND ITS AVAILABLE ANYWHERE ELSE. I understand there is the Princess Storybook Breakfast there in the morning, but this one meal in the morning is not enough to justify putting cheap Disney products in a world showcase where merchandise from one's own country should be proudly displayed throughout, in my opinion. If you feel the same, I encourage you to speak out.:wave:

I see the Norwegians have responded by burning down their pavilion, hopping onto their Viking ship and sailing away from WDW as fast as possible.

Maybe they're taking revenge by filling all the Disney stores in Norway full of trolls and other creepy looking stuff.
 

ryguy

Well-Known Member
Actually this is kinda of waste of time because Norway doesn't even pay rent to Disney Anymore for this pavillion. Basically they are a bunch of deadbeats getting free advertising for their country. There lucky to be selling anything at all. Disney should bulldoze it and put whatever they want. I am sure there are other countries that would be willing to pay Disney rent to market their countries. In reality Disney controls this pavillion, hence the onslaught of Disney Merchandise. Actually this is a good thing because Disney took what was the worst/least visited restaurant at Epcot (akersus):hurl: and made it one of the most popular restaurants at Epcot. Thank you Disney. :sohappy:

PS- The Orlando Sentinel had an article about the rent issue at Norway a few months back. Basically the Norwegian parliment didn't think the pavillion was attracting enough visitors to Norway and voted to stop paying Disney rent. There probably right, who really travels to Norway anyway? :hammer:
 

CoffeeJedi

Active Member
Do you know the paradox of the rich man? It goes like this:

1. If you have a dollar, you are not rich.
2. If you are not rich, and someone gives you a dollar, you are still not rich.

Most people would agreee with both of these statements. But the paradox is, if someone gives you a million dollars, one dollar at a time, you would, by these rules, still not be rich!
???
That's not true, because after the first event (receiving the first dollar above your original dollar), condition 1 is no longer true, because you have more than one dollar. Plus the condition "rich" is not defined by a discrete value.
But i suppose that's your point of course... there IS no clearly defined boundary.
What's that argument that all the pundits and talking heads on cable news like to spout? Yeah, the "slippery slope", as much as i hate that argument, i'm afraid that you're right, and it actually applies here.

Our good friend over at Epcot Central posted this, this morning:
"Epcot is inspired by Walt Disney's creative vision. Here, human achievements are celebrated through imagination, wonders of enterprise and concepts of a future that promises new and exciting benefits for all."
Now, the World Showcase countries with their crafts, architecture, music, dance, food, and culture definitely celebrate "human achievements" through "imagination". But how does a princess meal do this?
 

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