Media Spotlight on Disenchanted Disney Fans

FettFan

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Could it be that people are "gasp" still having a good time??

Or maybe the normies are heading there now that we’re getting back to normal post-pandemic lifestyles.

The hardcore Disney fans who can elaborate on the hidden lore of Horizons on various message boards and will hum the SpectroMagic theme during their morning commute….they’re the ones who have a problem with corporate Disney’s shenanigans.
 

NelleBelle

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I was just talking about this last night with some friends, I think the summer months maybe okay as people have already sort of committed. They may have gotten their tickets and made park reservations. We're going to the beach this year and already booked the condo so we'll have to absorb the hit to our budget.
Also I wonder if Disney will become the fallback on folks who may be rethinking Europe due to the invasion
If there is a slowdown I think it won't show up until fall
We are the exact example you point out. We were originally planning a big, month-long trip to Spain, France, and Italy this summer for oldest DS's HS graduation present. But I just didn't feel quite comfortable yet (more of a COVID thing at the time) spending that much money and having something go wrong in Europe (related to COVID). My boys were happy to go to WDW/USO for 10 days instead. Never thought there would be an invasion of Ukraine (who knows what would be happening in Europe in summer)? My DH mentions it about every week that he's so glad we bought our airfare the beginning of Feb. before airlines started raising fares/dropping flights. We also managed to buy our tickets to WDW before the price hike as well. Summer trips prior hadn't been as bad "crowd-wise" as some trips we took in the fall, so I'm crossing my fingers for the same this year. Either way, we're committed a this point and committed to be positive and have a good time!
 

Snake

Active Member
I have yet to see one person after experiencing parks during Cheapek regime eagerly wanting to go back. Even the diehards (myself included) just don't seem to have the enthusiasm or desire to book a return trip...and more importantly renew our APs.

You would think that when your loyal guests are floundering and bailing on you, it would result in a rethink of strategy.
There is a seismic shift happening, so it may take time for it to all hit and impact actual attendance. What many are not realizing is that attendance keeps going up, but Disney has not and still is not properly adding capacity to their parks to compensate. For example, as of 2021, MK now averages 10,000 extra people per day more than they did in 2011. Has Disney added ride capacity for 10,000 per day in the Magic Kingdom in the last 10 years? Hell no, what have they done? Built over 2 dozen resorts that now give all those thousands of people exclusive access to early magic and extra magic hours. Then you have Golden Oaks with their infinite fast passes that is now sold out. It all adds up significantly. And now the older rides, Carousel of Progress, Peter Pan, Small World, Country Bear Jamboree, Princess Hall instead of Snow White, are all drawing significantly lower crowds than they used to, say in the 80's-90's. So everyone bum rushes the newer/popular rides, because of this fact you could say the addition park ride capacity has actually been stagnate over the years and I would say its hitting a breaking point. (Someone needs to do a quick capacity check on ride thru puts for all MK rides over the years.) Ontop of that you have all these Vloggers and Disney Vacation Websites trying to make money giving away the best times to go, crowd calendars, tips to avoid long lines, if everyone knows those tricks, they are no longer tricks to avoid crowds and its crowded everywhere all the time. FYI
From Disney's perspective, what's the cheapest way to try and smooth the crowds? Build new Mulit-Million dollar rides to add capacity that need maintence and extra cast members to man, extra cast maintence crews? No, they make an app that tells the sheeple to go in a corner and buy food an Merch till they wait 1-2 hours for a ride. It's been over 2 years since we've went, not sure when we might be going back.In my opinion Fast Past was the beginning of the end, that was when ride lines started to get out of hand. And ever since then we've only seen continued diminished returns on the enjoyment of WDW vacations. And all I know is the last time we went, it was the most unpleasant WDW vacation we'd been on in over 2 decades. The crowds are worse than ever before and I believe the attention to detail is an after thought at this point. We also went before Genie Plus, not eager to go back. Might just wait for Epic Universe at this point.
 
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Calmdownnow

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Also I wonder if Disney will become the fallback on folks who may be rethinking Europe due to the invasion
I suggest you invest in a family Atlas. Europe is a continent (like the Americas) and the traditional vacation spots Americans might visit are nowhere near any conflict zones. The distance from Ukraine to Paris is about the same as the distance from Orlando to Canada. Given the rubbish tires on the Russian tanks (made in China, I believe), they ain't getting near London. Paris, Rome, Madrid, Copenhagen, Vienna, Berlin, Prague, Brussels, Amsterdam, Geneva, etc anytime soon.
 

eliza61nyc

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I suggest you invest in a family Atlas. Europe is a continent (like the Americas) and the traditional vacation spots Americans might visit are nowhere near any conflict zones. The distance from Ukraine to Paris is about the same as the distance from Orlando to Canada. Given the rubbish tires on the Russian tanks (made in China, I believe), they ain't getting near London. Paris, Rome, Madrid, Copenhagen, Vienna, Berlin, Prague, Brussels, Amsterdam, Geneva, etc anytime soon.
Fear isn't rational, I'm supposed to take 7 women to Greece in August, 3 have canceled due to the invasion. In times of war, uncertainty and deep stress humans tend to "hunker down " But thanks for the gracious, friendly advice
 
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Richie248

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I've had several trips planned this year and decided to cancel them all thus far. I had a 7 night trip (Coronado Club Level) in January and a 6 night (Swan Reserve) planned for earlier this month. My main reasons for canceling are the wait times, Genie+ being a pain to use and the inability to park hop before 2pm. I miss the days of going from park to park as I please. As for Genie+, I miss the year or so prior when lines "were what they were" (wasn't a fan os Fastpass either). I have an AP that expires in the fall so I'm sure I'll get one more trip in there but "I just don't feel like dealing with Disney right now".
 

Poseidon Quest

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Been here a week and my opinion is that Disney isn't the problem, the guests are. The guest behaviour, adults more than kids, is disgusting.

I just got back from a trip to Disneyland and the contrast is pretty significant. I saw very few line jumpers, unattended screaming kids and far fewer trashy people in California. No one was vaping in the middle of the line and everyone was also far friendlier and polite.

If you would like to elaborate though, I'm curious on what your experience with the Florida guests were like.
 

Diamond Dot

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Well, I'm on the Skyliner right now. Me and 4 others and I'm the only one wearing a mask, the CMs did nothing. Line jumping is the worst I've ever seen. Guests run everywhere, even while pushing strollers. I sat at a small table at Sleepy Hollow to eat and a couple asked if I minded sharing, I said yes, they then called their pals over, so I got squeezed out. Bad language, both spoken and on shirts and women wearing skimpy clothing, totally unsuitable for Disney and the litter is appalling. I did the MK to GF walkway and it was strewn with litter of all kinds.
And so many ESA dogs with Amazon bought harnesses, not real, properly trained service dogs, family pets that owners want to bring to Disney.
Entitlement is rife here.
 

drizgirl

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Well, I'm on the Skyliner right now. Me and 4 others and I'm the only one wearing a mask, the CMs did nothing. Line jumping is the worst I've ever seen. Guests run everywhere, even while pushing strollers. I sat at a small table at Sleepy Hollow to eat and a couple asked if I minded sharing, I said yes, they then called their pals over, so I got squeezed out. Bad language, both spoken and on shirts and women wearing skimpy clothing, totally unsuitable for Disney and the litter is appalling. I did the MK to GF walkway and it was strewn with litter of all kinds.
And so many ESA dogs with Amazon bought harnesses, not real, properly trained service dogs, family pets that owners want to bring to Disney.
Entitlement is rife here.
FYI: Skyliner mask policy changes tomorrow.
 

Diamond Dot

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I do understand my comments won't sit well with many of you, I apologise if I offend, but, while those running Disney are losing some of the magic, guests can do something positive by being nice to their fellow paying guests.
 

Diamond Dot

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They're Disney's guests in Disney's parks. If their guests are pigs, they need to staff at a level that they can clean up after them.
So, if you were a guest at a friend's house you think you can behave like a pig and that your friends should clean up after you? Seriously, there are enough bins and you don't need much of an IQ to know how to use them. Your comment beggars belief.
 

sedati

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The creeping realization that our party was perhaps the only one not gaming the system is what put the biggest damper on out last (otherwise excellent) trip. Too many are willing to debase themselves and lie outright to take advantage of the company for freebies or preferential treatment. Good customer service and accommodating practices will inevitably be abused if not given proper boundaries- I've seen to shocking degrees in my own work and in other businesses and WDW seems to be the worst from what I can tell.
 

sedati

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Bad language, both spoken and on shirts
This is something I have never understood (and it's often more than bad language- many are horrendously pervy.) I've seen this since the 80's and not to be regionalist, but only during my travels in that area. I've never understood how any adult thinks it appropriate in or outside of a family park, or why it's not a cause for ejection or at least they should be told to change shirts or turn it inside out.
 

drizgirl

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So, if you were a guest at a friend's house you think you can behave like a pig and that your friends should clean up after you? Seriously, there are enough bins and you don't need much of an IQ to know how to use them. Your comment beggars belief.
I wasn't excusing the behavior. Honestly, what good does it do to gripe about other people's behavior? This is Disney's deal. If their guests are pigs, they need to find a way to exclude the pigs or they need to suck it up and clean up after them. Since we know there's no way to exclude the pigs, there's really only one choice left.

But feel free to keep ranting. I guarantee it's not helping things one single bit.
 

Calmdownnow

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Fear isn't rational, I'm supposed to take 7 women to Greece in August, 3 have canceled due to the invasion. In times of war, uncertainty and deep stress humans tend to "hunker down " But thanks for the gracious, friendly advice
How were you "taking" your 7 vestal virgins? Flying the plane, paying for the vacation, making the bookings? Perhaps they can make their own risk assessments and go it alone? Greece is not at risk from the Russian invasion of Ukraine. All you do by cancelling the trip is punish the Greek economy for an irrational reason.
 

eliza61nyc

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How were you "taking" your 7 vestal virgins? Flying the plane, paying for the vacation, making the bookings? Perhaps they can make their own risk assessments and go it alone? Greece is not at risk from the Russian invasion of Ukraine. All you do by cancelling the trip is punish the Greek economy for an irrational reason.
Oh I'm not canceling, 3 women canceled their trip on the tour operator. I'm working for the tour operator, a small boutique travel company that gives women only vacations. Clients usually are single (for whatever reason) ladies, who want to travel but dont want to go alone. Just finished up a fabulous trip to Iceland. As I said, fear often times is not rational. Get no argument from me on that point but then again if human beings were perfectly rational then a lot of stuff would not be happen.
How many people have an irrational fear of flying even though it's one of the safest modes of transportation??

I actually know a few families with very smart people who are actually going to wdw in lieu of Europe.
I never question their reasons, lol I just encourage them to get "cancel for any reason " trip insurance.

😆 now whether or not their "virgins" of any kind...we're classy, we stopped doing pelvic exams a while back
 
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