Possibly, Lion King show is closed until mid June so that could be an excuse to close Frontierland depot
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Possibly, Lion King show is closed until mid June so that could be an excuse to close Frontierland depot
PizzaPlanet
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Disneyland Park might just be the exception due to its historical significance. I’d argue DCA’s theme is now less comprehensible than all 4 WDW parks
Centauri Space Station
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DL already vandalized its entire tomorrowland and done nothing to make it better, in fact they’ve made it worse by replacing Innoventions with a meet and greet DVC lounge and closing the magic eye theater. SWGE is a bad fit in a castle park.
The Empress Lilly
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You're entirely correct on each point you raise. But still, right now, in every WDW park I visit I pretty much permanently wish I were visiting it at another time. At DL, never really. Apart from individual aspects and, naturally, a general wish to have visited that park during Walt's era.
Incidentally, nor, for that matter, do I ever at DLP wish I were visiting it at another time. I hate premier access with a vengeance and miss previous versions of SM, Pirates and PM and other assorted stuff, but by and large, now is as good a time as any.
Mr. Sullivan
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I just think at the end of the day it’s okay to be upset about what happened to Magic Kingdom’s river, but at the same time one must be realistic when talking about it in relation to the others.
I know there is a desire to protect and defend what is lost, and I get it, but there really is no way around the fact that it is lost because it could be without disrupting the park around it, and the same is not true for any other incarnation of the river save for Tokyo.
Magic Kingdom’s was the most under-designed and un-integrated from the moment it opened to the moment it closed, making it much more justifiable to redevelop than it’s Disneyland and Disneyland Paris counterparts. Any suggestion otherwise is just rewriting the reality of Magic Kingdom.
It is not and has not happened at other parks because to do so would be far more complicated as they are simply better designed, better integrated, and more critical to their respective parks. I think some people are letting their hurt and frustration get in the way of that reality.
I know there is a desire to protect and defend what is lost, and I get it, but there really is no way around the fact that it is lost because it could be without disrupting the park around it, and the same is not true for any other incarnation of the river save for Tokyo.
Magic Kingdom’s was the most under-designed and un-integrated from the moment it opened to the moment it closed, making it much more justifiable to redevelop than it’s Disneyland and Disneyland Paris counterparts. Any suggestion otherwise is just rewriting the reality of Magic Kingdom.
It is not and has not happened at other parks because to do so would be far more complicated as they are simply better designed, better integrated, and more critical to their respective parks. I think some people are letting their hurt and frustration get in the way of that reality.
lazyboy97o
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A “realistic” assessment that ignores that the Magic Kingdom’s was the only one that was part of a large scale water management system. Its removal is the most intensive and complicated.
Indeed.
You're doing just that in this post
MK's river wasn't always the way it was in the last 25 years, and there's more too it than what can be observed by just walking around the southern half
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I wrote a post in another thread about how only MK had their riverboat dry dock outside of the park just for show despite the logistics of getting it all the way to Bay Lake (comparing this to DLP):
[since writing this post, the dry dock cover at DLP has been replaced with one in better shape]
For as rightly praised as DLP is for its immaculate attention to detail and stunning design, there's one thing it fails to do as good as The Magic Kingdom did, and that's where and how it parks its riverboat for maintenance.
At Disneyland in California, there's a bend in the river where the Mark Twain can be docked for work. It's uncovered and is used occasionally for that purpose, but is largely inconspicuous. Walt didn't like it, but during initial construction of the park it was considered the best overall solution.
Shown above is my picture taken of what's left of DLP's Mark twain, in a similar dock, but one that is fully enclosed to protect it from the harsher elements of the local climate.
This works in a practical sense, but as you can see it not only looks unflattering, but this big structure (sitting next to the the huge Frontierland Theater) dwarfs Beacon Joe's cabin next to it and kind of spoils the illusion of this being the untamed wilderness beyond Thunder Mesa.
Magic Kingdom over engineering a solution to Disneyland's problem is another example of how WED went the extra mile for the sake of show and should be considered in the same vein as the Utilidors for that reason. Having to pull the Liberty Belle down a long river to get to the Seven Seas Lagoon, then cross that lagoon to get to Bay Lake where the actual dry dock was is incredible. Both in that such effort had to be made for routine fixes, but also that WED wanted to preserve the aesthetics of Seven Seas Lagoon AND Bay Lake too! Three bodies of guest facing water that were considered on stage, part of the show and needing to look as natural and picturesque as possible. And they succeeded.
[since writing this post, the dry dock cover at DLP has been replaced with one in better shape]
For as rightly praised as DLP is for its immaculate attention to detail and stunning design, there's one thing it fails to do as good as The Magic Kingdom did, and that's where and how it parks its riverboat for maintenance.
At Disneyland in California, there's a bend in the river where the Mark Twain can be docked for work. It's uncovered and is used occasionally for that purpose, but is largely inconspicuous. Walt didn't like it, but during initial construction of the park it was considered the best overall solution.
Shown above is my picture taken of what's left of DLP's Mark twain, in a similar dock, but one that is fully enclosed to protect it from the harsher elements of the local climate.
This works in a practical sense, but as you can see it not only looks unflattering, but this big structure (sitting next to the the huge Frontierland Theater) dwarfs Beacon Joe's cabin next to it and kind of spoils the illusion of this being the untamed wilderness beyond Thunder Mesa.
Magic Kingdom over engineering a solution to Disneyland's problem is another example of how WED went the extra mile for the sake of show and should be considered in the same vein as the Utilidors for that reason. Having to pull the Liberty Belle down a long river to get to the Seven Seas Lagoon, then cross that lagoon to get to Bay Lake where the actual dry dock was is incredible. Both in that such effort had to be made for routine fixes, but also that WED wanted to preserve the aesthetics of Seven Seas Lagoon AND Bay Lake too! Three bodies of guest facing water that were considered on stage, part of the show and needing to look as natural and picturesque as possible. And they succeeded.
parksandtravel
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What do you guys think was the reason it was removed?
For the same reason many things have been removed or changed in the past several years, including the inexplicable retheme of Pacific Warf...if it's not IP related or selling lightning lanes, it's viewed a waste of space
And RoA took up a lot of space
The ROA?
Cost to run and maintain and inability to monetise what was left vs ops complaining about the crowds at BTM + ability to market and monetise anything new.
PizzaPlanet
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I find it especially interesting that they’ve been trying to remove ROA for so long. I remember reading on here that they proposed a Woody’s Roundup coaster to replace the island at one point.
Gusey
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They'd never cope at WDW where the castle can't be walked through a lot of the day because of Friendship Faire
At least you can still get into the castle via Fantasyland and the two walkthroughs. Would rather have a bad photo than a castle that's falling apart
Yes. As we know the bridge was in a really bad way. There’s only so much patching up you can do.They'd never cope at WDW where the castle can't be walked through a lot of the day because of Friendship Faire
