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Interview with Bob Iger about the Parks

SirLink

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Its not - Disney PR has most likely asked him to delete it.
 

RandySavage

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Nostalgia for the past is a wonderful thing, and commonly associated with older people. Yes, the ride was state-of-the-art in 1989 but 25 years later none of those things represented any sort of brilliance. Disney parks are not museums. What replaced it is the same ride system (so you still get your backwards waterfall) married to state-of-the-art technology and a story literally billions of people now know....

I liked Maelstrom but mostly for the reasons you site: memories of that first time on it. The replacement is vastly more entertaining for the vast majority of people, myself included.
No one can tell me that that nails-on-chalkboard opening jabber by "Frozen Oaken" is better than the ominous and awesome former introduction, "You are not the first to pass this way... nor shall you be the last!" We all know why FEA is a major success, popularity-wise. FEA's superiority as an attraction over Maelstrom is much more debatable, especially in its context.
 
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tigerlight

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No one can tell me that that nails-on-chalkboard opening jabber by "Frozen Oaken" is better than the ominous and awesome former introduction, "You are not the first to pass this way... nor shall you be the last!" We all know why FEA is a major success, popularity-wise. FEA's superiority as an attraction over Maelstrom is much more debatable, especially in its context.
Again, if you poll an audience under the age of 45 who have ridden both rides, I'm confident 95% of them would strongly prefer FEA. I find the snowman more than charming, and really enjoy the beginning sequence... It's a question of futurists vs. traditionalists... liking/accepting change vs. hating change.
 

RandySavage

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Again, if you poll an audience under the age of 45 who have ridden both rides, I'm confident 95% of them would strongly prefer FEA. I find the snowman more than charming, and really enjoy the beginning sequence... It's a question of futurists vs. traditionalists... liking/accepting change vs. hating change.
I, like everyone else on Earth, welcome good change and loathe bad change. If by "futurist" you mean being onboard with Iger's current and future plans to convert World Showcase into Disney-Pixar-Fantasies-from-around-the-Globe and convert Future World from being about actual Futurism to a hodgepodge of Marvel and Pixar IP fantasy without any overall meaning, and by "traditionalist" you refer to people that don't like Iger's plan and prefer the traditional approach - creating something affecting and with substance in light of the real world - as envisioned by the luminaries who created EPCOT Center (remembering Fantasy was only 1/3 of Walt Disney's trifecta - Yesterday & Tomorrow ought not to go missing), then I'm the latter, in this case. I know that's the losing side, but so it goes. I know institutional investors may feel that Administrator Iger is doing the prudent thing business-wise (in the "pave paradise and put up a parking lot" kind of way), though he has lost my family's dollars.

I also don't think FEA is regarded as the massive improvement you think it is by 95% of the public (set up a poll to test). I'll acknowledge that there are some improvements over Maelstrom, such as the queue and extending the track to take over the theater space. But even if you prefer saccharine, Disney Princess book report rides with punishingly-painful voice-work (IMO) by Oaken and Josh Gad, FEA, objectively, has some design drawbacks over Maelstrom. Lighting design being one as in some scenes it directs your sightline straight at ceiling lighting rigs (major WDI weakness of recent years). There's the lack of waterfall opening to the Square - maybe necessary for the ride, but it was a charming, unique feature. It has a couple sections that are completely unthemed and look like backstage (eg, just at the top of the lift). Above all, FEA has a much more tenuous, even insulting and embarrassing, connection to Norway. I don't think FEA is bad at all. I think it would be a good and welcome addition... to Fantasyland (see paragraph one).

People want rides in World Showcase (I have since the beginning). Parents want rides the whole family will love. That doesn't mean Iger had to sell the park's soul - you could have had original, country-based rides that appeal to kids/tweens the way FEA does.
 
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RandySavage

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I started a thread on the news board about this, but thought I should point it out here too. I found an interview with Iger talking about the history of Disney vs. innovation and change.

https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/bob-iger-discusses-disney-history-vs-innovation.952490/
Not fun for a traditionalist like me to read that. At least Iger is forthcoming in essentially saying, "When I took over I had to fire the Walties and kill that remaining reverance for the old ways within the Company. That way I could make much, much, much more money for myself (and the stockholders)."
 

trojanjustin

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Its not - Disney PR has most likely asked him to delete it.
First of all, he's the CEO - they could ask and he could say no thanks. Second, it's likely he wasn't even the one doing the tweeting to begin with - rather someone in Communications or PR.
 

SirLink

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First of all, he's the CEO - they could ask and he could say no thanks. Second, it's likely he wasn't even the one doing the tweeting to begin with - rather someone in Communications or PR.
Nope they told him to delete it, it is generally his PA that was tweeting from this account, still don't know if the Iger told them to tweet what they wanted or he thought he could handle it. But still Disney PR told him to delete it.
 

Kman101

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Of course RNR is an IP ride. If Disney didn't want an IP, they could have created a fictional band and done the same concept. But they used Aerosmith in order to have something familiar and popular with folks.
But *now* is it really an IP, under their current management? You just know they've had to be eyeing that coaster. Merch doesn't exactly fly off the shelves.
 

HauntedPirate

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Yep. But yet so many give them a pass.
They've definitely made mistakes - Fallon, FnF, Kong to some degree. But, as in baseball, it's easier to overlook strike outs or bloop singles when the batter is also hitting home runs (like Potter). They also need to freshen up Marvel alley, and turn down the music in that area... :jawdrop:
 

trojanjustin

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Nope they told him to delete it, it is generally his PA that was tweeting from this account, still don't know if the Iger told them to tweet what they wanted or he thought he could handle it. But still Disney PR told him to delete it.
What? He runs Disney, including PR. If he wants to tweet something, he will tweet it. If they tell him it's not he best idea, he can take it down but they report to him, not the other way around.

Also, as I said, it is likely that the Corp Comm department runs this account with his approval.
 

WDW862

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What? He runs Disney, including PR. If he wants to tweet something, he will tweet it. If they tell him it's not he best idea, he can take it down but they report to him, not the other way around.

Also, as I said, it is likely that the Corp Comm department runs this account with his approval.
You clearly don't understand this, not that I'd expect that from you.

PR has the best interest of the company in mind. If PR tells Bob to do something, he will. He also answers to the shareholders. Shareholders were likely ****ed off when Bob created bad PR from the company.

He doesn't "run the company". The board of directors does, in a broader sense.
 

trojanjustin

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You clearly don't understand this, not that I'd expect that from you.

PR has the best interest of the company in mind. If PR tells Bob to do something, he will. He also answers to the shareholders. Shareholders were likely ****ed off when Bob created bad PR from the company.

He doesn't "run the company". The board of directors does, in a broader sense.
No idea why the hostility or if you have any clue how this works, but I'm pretty sure I have far more experience in this specific arena...

If he agrees with the recommendation from his head of Corp Comm, then sure he will delete it. If he doesn't agree, it is his personal Twitter account, he can do as he wishes. "PR" has literally no power over him whatsoever, though they obviously provide consultation on such things. The board is not going to do anything based on one tweet. What planet are you on? The company is making lots of money and is profitable.

Again, this is probably a pointless discussion as he likely didn't write or send the tweet himself, so this is of no matter.
 
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HauntedPirate

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Major shareholders didn't give one whit what Bob tweeted as long as it didn't mean the stock price dropped. And since roughly 65% of Disney stock is held by "institutions", and Iger is one of the largest individual shareholders, if not the largest at this time...
 

Kman101

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They've definitely made mistakes - Fallon, FnF, Kong to some degree. But, as in baseball, it's easier to overlook strike outs or bloop singles when the batter is also hitting home runs (like Potter). They also need to freshen up Marvel alley, and turn down the music in that area... :jawdrop:
Agreed. I'd love a Marvel refresh. They can only rely on Potter for so long. Next they'll milk Nintendo (and I don't blame them for milking either franchise ....).

The problem isn't overlooking a mistake here or there (like us, rational people do), it's those who somehow think they do no wrong and jump to the defense (and that of course goes for Disney too; some think everything they do is a homerun). But it's neither here nor there I guess.

WDW, despite spending money finally, has definitely phoned it in quite often. And they're bigger. But I still think some hold the parks to different standards. I guess that's OK. I try and be fair with both. Some aren't. Many people not on here think WDW is hitting homerun after homerun, I guess it's just how we choose to view it and whether we like what they're doing or not.

I really don't understand where Universal is at right now. I don't read the rumors for them. Sure they have Potter and Nintendo "eventually" and I know they aren't releasing details earlier than needed anymore, but it feels like they could be doing a lot with Universal and IoA. I guess maybe I'm just becoming impatient ;) Both have some stale areas that either need attention or will. But I know they're focused on their third theme park. I feel like some things they once had in mind are stalled. Where's the replacement for Terminator? Bourne isn't going to make a big impact, JMO.
 

eliza61nyc

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No one can tell me that that nails-on-chalkboard opening jabber by "Frozen Oaken" is better than the ominous and awesome former introduction, "You are not the first to pass this way... nor shall you be the last!" We all know why FEA is a major success, popularity-wise. FEA's superiority as an attraction over Maelstrom is much more debatable, especially in its context.

lol,well I guess "better" is one of those subjective words. I'll admit to it, but I've been told I have no taste. lol. yes I think frozen is way better than maelstrom. I admit it's out of place but maelstrom= monstrosity. it was old boring and outdated. I like FEA far more as an attraction.
 
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