Inside Out 2

[Phroobar]

For decades Disney let their live action studio put out failure after failure only supported by a block buster once every three years. And this went on for decades.

Anyone surmising Pixar would be dismantled is part of the internet echo chamber in which one unhinged hater claims it's the case and everyone starts repeating it. Then people believe that with so many "sources" it must be true!

It ain't.

There is a difference though. Disney live action is one studio. While for animation, you have Disney Animation, Pixar and maybe ILM. Does Disney really need two separate animation studios making the same kind of movie?

Seems when the company starts cost cutting they are going to start putting Pixar under the microscope in order to make them more efficient. If that means reducing staff, Bob will totally do that. Pixar could be completely outsourced but still retain the Pixar brand.

 

[MisterPenguin]

There is a difference though. Disney live action is one studio. While for animation, you have Disney Animation, Pixar and maybe ILM. Does Disney really need two separate animation studios making the same kind of movie?

Seems when the company starts cost cutting they are going to start putting Pixar under the microscope in order to make them more efficient. If that means reducing staff, Bob will totally do that. Pixar could be completely outsourced but still retain the Pixar brand.

Pixar just recently reduced staff.

Except for Brave, DAS is princesses. And also musicals.

Pixar is different.

 

[Phroobar]

Pixar just recently reduced staff.

Except for Brave, DAS is princesses. And also musicals.

Pixar is different.

Nothing sacred about Pixar in the eyes of financial offices at Disney. They are just another expense that needs to show good returns. I'm sure the name will stay around as an IP but that doesn't mean it will stay independent forever.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Nothing sacred about Pixar in the eyes of financial offices at Disney. They are just another expense that needs to show good returns. I'm sure the name will stay around as an IP but that doesn't mean it will stay independent forever.

If that were the case, DSP would have been gone long ago.

 

[Disney Irish]

Nothing sacred about Pixar in the eyes of financial offices at Disney. They are just another expense that needs to show good returns. I'm sure the name will stay around as an IP but that doesn't mean it will stay independent forever.

Pixar is as independent as any of Disney's other studios, ie not really independent beyond creative decisions. They all report into the same executive leadership.

 

[Tiggerish]

I watched IO2 aboard the Disney Magic last week.

I liked it better than IO, which isn't a high bar, because unlike most of the rest of the world (especially the female.half), I didn't care.for the first one (BingBong was SO annoying). In fact, I watched IO twice more just to see if I would warm.up to it (same thing with Encanto).

Elio better be amazing.

If it's anything like Luca (I loved that movie) it will hopefully be ok..

 

[BrianLo]

There has been articles that said if IO2 didn't do really well, then Pixar would have been dismantled by Disney. Elio better be amazing.

You need better critical appraisal skills. Anyone can write whatever they want on the internet.

The company has an obligation to shareholders and even if you bought remotely into the conspiracy theory, the studio would be sold and the existing back catalogue held by the company. Pixar, without a single film attached is still worth billions of dollars to a competitor like Amazon, Netflix or Apple.

There is a difference though. Disney live action is one studio. While for animation, you have Disney Animation, Pixar and maybe ILM. Does Disney really need two separate animation studios making the same kind of movie?

Does Comcast? A company that doesn’t even really have a global streaming service that demands even more content than they were making in the 2010s. Creatively and financially with the worst studio track record of the four major labels in Dreamworks?

No, even still I’d be surprised if there is any significant concerns for Dreamworks, because these companies have long successfully been running two brands.

This whole thing is patently absurd because if anyone actually takes half a second they’d understand Pixar still has the best creative and financial track records of any of their studios. Yes that includes Elemental, Turning Red and Luca. Because however much it irks people, the later were financed as streaming releases and their long term outcome from the company for better or worse is strictly tied to their performance on streaming.

Maybe only ironically 20th century has the best recent theatrical track record of the company. FX if we’re swinging TV.

 

[BrianLo]

The only thing Pixar is actually at risk of from the parent company is having more executive creative oversight. Aka sequel-mandation.

Bob isn’t thinking of shutting down the studio currently making Incredibles 3. No matter what the indoctrinated YouTubers think.

 

[Disney Irish]

The only thing Pixar is actually at risk of from the parent company is having more executive creative oversight. Aka sequel-mandation.

Bob isn’t thinking of shutting down the studio currently making Incredibles 3. No matter what the indoctrinated YouTubers think.

Exactly, if anything was to change in the future both Pixar and WDAS would be restructured, but still run as separate studios just with greater oversight, as you mentioned.

 

[BrianLo]

Exactly, if anything was to change in the future both Pixar and WDAS would be restructured, but still run as separate studios just with greater oversight, as you mentioned.

I just don’t get some of the fandom anymore. I’m not even sure what they are after. Hoping for Pixar to close seems like cutting off the nose to spite the face.

There’s exactly one poster who I see their rational and it’s strictly because they are in their 70’s, childless, have no affinity for any era of Pixar (seemingly have watched almost none of them) and see it as the reason Disneyland resort was flooded with poorly executed overlays.

But that niche logic aside, it feels about as sacrilegious to me as hoping they start closing their *better* parks. Pixar has kept animation alive for the last 30 years and reinvigorated the medium in the American creative markets in incomparable ways.

*steps off soapbox*

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I just don’t get some of the fandom anymore. I’m not even sure what they are after. Hoping for Pixar to close seems like cutting off the nose to spite the face.

I don’t think anyone hopes Pixar closes, we just see a lot of financial reasons to combine the 2 individual campuses into one. There would still be Pixar and there would still be Disney Animation, they’d just be under one roof which would save tens of millions of dollars a year in overhead.

With each movie now in the $250 million production range cuts are inevitable, Pixar already cut a lot of jobs right before IO2 made record earnings. I’d rather see overhead cut rather than more animators cut… or preferably more box office hits like IO2 so they don’t have to cut either.

 

[BrianLo]

I don’t think anyone hopes Pixar closes, we just see a lot of financial reasons to combine the 2 individual campuses into one. There would still be Pixar and there would still be Disney Animation, they’d just be under one roof which would save tens of millions of dollars a year in overhead.

This would lead to a massive talent drain. We saw the disaster that was the lake Nona attempt.

It is, essentially, closing the studio and expanding WDAS. I disagree and I’m not sure why everyone is suddenly bean counters.

Meanwhile Disney has an outfit in Vancouver. Why is that one ok?

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I’m not sure why everyone is suddenly bean counters

Because the movie division lost nearly a billion dollars last year and Disney has been laying off employees across the entire company as a result.

 

[BrianLo]

Because the movie division lost nearly a billion dollars last year and Disney has been laying off employees across the entire company as a result.

Which had nothing to do with Pixar… I think that’s my sticking point. It was the one studio in the end without an uneven release last year. It should be next to the last studio they look to mess with. It has the deepest bench of directorial talent that they risk losing and splintering to an independent studio.

Heck… look at this one they just released. Don’t eff up the golden goose for a 20% overhead reduction.

 

[Disney Irish]

This would lead to a massive talent drain. We saw the disaster that was the lake Nona attempt.

It is, essentially, closing the studio and expanding WDAS.

Exactly, we've already seen lead animators being pouched by Dreamworks and others over the years. Do we really want to see a mass exodus by Pixar animators to a rival or even startup their own studio?

I disagree and I’m not sure why everyone is suddenly bean counters.

Its because you had a few posters, particularly one, who think they can run a few numbers and know how to make major financial decisions for a 100 yr old studio.

Meanwhile Disney has an outfit in Vancouver. Why is that one ok?

Probably because no one hears about them, if they end up being part of a major project that underperforms I'm sure they would be on these same posters radar.

 

[BrianLo]

Probably because no one hears about them, if they end up being part of a major project that underperforms I'm sure they would be on these same posters radar.

Which further betrays the belief that WDAS can somehow expand In Glendale to a studio capable of putting out 2.5 theatrical films a year. They already have a second satellite studio to meet their further production needs, including significant contributions to Moana 2. Which makes sense, you pull from Southern/Northern Californian and Canadian talent pools.

Pixar faced layoffs because they are stopping direct to streaming series, not much to do with their theatrical output. The evidence amalgamating the studios to one location leading to cost savings is already tenuous when WDAS outputs run similar production budgets.

I’m not blaming Vegas, they are trying to defend a position and make it make sense. Which I know there is a contingency hoping to close Pixar for ideological reasons pumping this on YouTube. Nothing more. Fortunately I think leadership is much smarter and this hypothetical is all in their heads.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I just don’t get some of the fandom anymore. I’m not even sure what they are after. Hoping for Pixar to close seems like cutting off the nose to spite the face.

It’s not really about fandom. It’s part of a wider worldview that is very much about cruelty and hurting others. That’s the point. Shutting down Pixar means pain for those involved, those seen as others doing the wrong things.

 

[Disney Irish]

It’s not really about fandom. It’s part of a wider worldview that is very much about cruelty and hurting others. That’s the point. Shutting down Pixar means pain for those involved, those seen as others doing the wrong things.

Its a shame that some can't let others enjoy life just because they disagree with them.