I'm not going to Disney World any more!!!!!!

StarWarsGirl

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In the Parks
No
Nope. There are things on Splash still not working correctly
Bunny raking leaves only says one of three possible lines of dialogue.
Br'er frog still out of sync
Motionless br'er bear
Fountains are OFF again.
Other than that it is running perfectly. These are very simple effects that can be fixed over night. Why weren't they fixed in a three month refurb?

Stuff happens. Read what @mousehockey37 wrote above. I know you want everything to work properly and I know it's really irritating to you when it doesn't, but that stuff breaks. It's certainly better than what it was.
 

Yert3

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I have no idea if these are "very simple effects that can be fixed over night". Guess I'll have to take your word for it.
Well the oldest video I can find of Br'er Frog singing of of Sync is 2003. If they can't fix audio sync in ten years then I've pretty much lost all hope.
 

StarWarsGirl

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In the Parks
No
I did notice a change to SM that probably no one else did. Character dialogue use to be activated by a motion sensor when logs would get close. Not they are put on a constant loop. This is better IMO because some times the motion sensors wouldn't trip and people would just be staring at characters not saying anything. It's weird because I somehow predicted that was going to happen.

One great thing about having autism (do you have aspergers?): you notice and see the world in a totally unique way. You're right, no one else would notice. I certainly didn't (but I'm not very observant, lol). My brother can tell you where elevators are that we've never noticed (he loves elevators). It's a gift; use it.;)
 

Californian Elitist

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Why weren't they fixed in a three month refurb?

Because three months is not long enough for a ride like Splash Mountain. I've noticed there have been refurbs for some of the WDW attractions (it's obvious Kalogridis is bringing that mindset over from the DLR, and that's great), but the lengths aren't that long.
 

mousehockey37

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Well the oldest video I can find of Br'er Frog singing of of Sync is 2003. If they can't fix audio sync in ten years then I've pretty much lost all hope.

Well, if the people that are supposed to work on these effects are the ones who are going to be getting hours cut potentially, per the OP, you're going to see a lot more rides and a lot more effects going down and not getting fixed because TWDC just wants to pad their wallets.
 

Yert3

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Because three months is not long enough for a ride like Splash Mountain. I've noticed there have been refurbs for some of the WDW attractions (it's obvious Kalogridis is bringing that mindset over from the DLR, and that's great), but the lengths aren't that long.


I get what you're saying. But my point is that the complex effects were fixed while the more simple ones are still malfunctioning. It makes no sense.
 

StarWarsGirl

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In the Parks
No
@Yert3 Ya know, if you're mechanically minded, as a lot of people in your, let's say, group, are, you could go into ride maintenance and figure some of this out. You seem to be mechanically minded. Just a thought. :)
 

StarWarsGirl

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In the Parks
No
Because three months is not long enough for a ride like Splash Mountain. I've noticed there have been refurbs for some of the WDW attractions (it's obvious Kalogridis is bringing that mindset over from the DLR, and that's great), but the lengths aren't that long.

Better than the once a year thing it was getting.
 

StarWarsGirl

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In the Parks
No
Kind of comes back to what I said. The more complex things where they had to possibly take stuff apart were focused on. Simple audio tracking of the frog is on the list... What list? Who knows, but it's on there....

I was about ready to bring up what you said...:) The ferrari explanation was a really great way to explain it.
 

Yert3

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Kind of comes back to what I said. The more complex things where they had to possibly take stuff apart were focused on. Simple audio tracking of the frog is on the list... What list? Who knows, but it's on there....
Well. It's been ten years. Hurry up and fix him. It sounds terrible now, but sounds so good when he is in sync. Crazy how the little things like that make an attraction so much better.
 

StarWarsGirl

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In the Parks
No
Well. It's been ten years. Hurry up and fix him. It sounds terrible now, but sounds so good when he is in sync. Crazy how the little things like that make an attraction so much better.

...and stuff constantly breaks and needs fixing, some of which might take priority over the frog. I know it's frustrating, but it's like what @mousehockey37 said before.
 

Thrill

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Disneyland has far more breakdowns. I spend about a month in WDW during the year, and while breakdowns are a part of life, they are not nearly as frequent as at DL. When you encounter multiple breakdowns at WDW, it's usually a fluke. However, in DL, it's a daily occurrence to find several breakdowns (was just there for six days). I was told many times it was the computer locking them out of the system.

Your economic theory is wrong. Sorry. I assume you haven't gotten to AP economics or college economics yet since you said you're younger than me and I just took the AP, so I'll explain. :) You're thinking on a market graph, not on a firm graph. Moreover, you're thinking perfectly competitive. This isn't a perfectly competitive market. Disney's costs have increased with the recent expansions. They've got New Fantasyland, which increases amounts of workers to be hired. This is a shift left on their marginal cost curve, which raises prices. With the recent expansions, demand has also increased. Therefore, they will sell at a higher price. What Universal does affects Disney, but not in the way you're thinking because of the market type. No worries; it's not an easy concept to grasp,even after you take college level economics (I took a lot of time completely thinking this through myself). You also have to account for inflation. Even though prices everywhere don't increase at the same rate, they do gradually increase. So Disney increases prices. As far as merchandise prices, I've seen more ridiculous prices at baseball games and such and the quality of my product is always good from Disney. Although I refuse to pay that much for a pen. But unique merchandise=higher cost. Disney, when all is said and done, is trying to make a profit.

Took AP economics the year before last (5s on both). Has been a while, but that said, my economics aren't that far off. Competition drives prices down, naturally. Fantasyland expansion did happen, but prices have been rising (and will continue to rise) regardless. Hours have also been cut. And yes, inflation is a thing, but Disney increases prices way, way faster than inflation. Inflation is, and has been, very low.

Because they are trying to get those once in a lifetimers to make it more than once in a lifetime. They know the hardcore fans will keep coming back, so why try to appease them? From a business standpoint, it makes sense. It just happens to not work out for the hardcore fans.

Not a sustainable model.

Hardcore fans will draw the line eventually. The OP has, others have, and others will continue to do so until things change. But the clincher? Hardcore fans are Disney's free marketers. If I'm impressed by New Fantasyland, I won't hesitate to rave about it. Likewise, if Disney fed termites a whole parade, I'll complain.

So when the hardcore fans give up on WDW, they'll tell their friends about how great Universal is now, or how much better Disneyland is. It's a long term thing, but its effects will be felt eventually. And once TDO realizes what hit them, it's going to be a long, long recovery.
 

mousehockey37

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Well. It's been ten years. Hurry up and fix him. It sounds terrible now, but sounds so good when he is in sync. Crazy how the little things like that make an attraction so much better.

Right. Anyone who is musically gifted or autistic or has aspergers or even just any kind of OCD, will be bothered by tracking that is off. I can't stand it when the audio and video is off on tv, lol.

But.... Like I said, with not knowing who works in what capacities in the park, the people that may be responsible for fixing these effects, now will have even less time to work on things. Also, think about the newer rides in the other parks that were added. I know SM is a major pull for the Magic Kingdom, but if a few AAs can wait, the boats can continue on. If say, Toy Story Mania goes down at DHS, that's one of the only big pulls for that park. They HAVE to get that fixed. I'm sure Spaceship Earth in EPCOT is full of AAs that aren't doing what they're supposed to, or even just a simple thing like Rome is burning, but yet there's no smell of Rome burning!!!

So keep that in mind too. There's a priority list for fixes that if something goes down, there will be certain parts or attractions that will get a higher priority than others.
 

mousehockey37

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Took AP economics the year before last (5s on both). Has been a while, but that said, my economics aren't that far off. Competition drives prices down, naturally. Fantasyland expansion did happen, but prices have been rising (and will continue to rise) regardless. Hours have also been cut. And yes, inflation is a thing, but Disney increases prices way, way faster than inflation. Inflation is, and has been, very low.



Not a sustainable model.

Hardcore fans will draw the line eventually. The OP has, others have, and others will continue to do so until things change. But the clincher? Hardcore fans are Disney's free marketers. If I'm impressed by New Fantasyland, I won't hesitate to rave about it. Likewise, if Disney fed termites a whole parade, I'll complain.

So when the hardcore fans give up on WDW, they'll tell their friends about how great Universal is now, or how much better Disneyland is. It's a long term thing, but its effects will be felt eventually. And once TDO realizes what hit them, it's going to be a long, long recovery.

Eventually yes, and what will Disney do to keep the income flowing? As I stated in an earlier post: They'll bring in more foreign groups, high school groups, sports team tournaments, etc. They'll find a way to have large numbers, even if it's just not my family, your family, and other single families from around the country and world.
 

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