Iger is Ruining WDW, The Disney Company, and needs to go

Loose Pebble

Active Member
Star Wars Land was probably 50% as good as it "should" have been if for no other reason than we got 2 attractions with 1 being far less than mediocre. The other fully worked about 6 months and is now riddled with problems and almost never operates at 100%.

I'd even argue that was a failure overall.

Avatar is better but 2 attractions was again insufficient with one being perhaps slightly over mediocre.
Yeah and in addition to all the downtime on Rise, you also have some of the effects being turned off (cannons)

I agree that 2 attractions for a land is insufficient. I am not a fan of Avengers Campus aesthetically but at least it’s getting four which feels more up to par with one of the original lands (albeit one reskin, one flat, and one cruddy screen game)
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I haven’t seen these rumors, but I don’t doubt it’s been discussed and have to say I don’t hate the idea for sometime in the future.

Main Street as a concept harkened back to an over romanticized version of the US small town main streets that Walt grew up with. It resonated with his generation, and likely the generation or 2 that followed as they maybe had some childhood memories of it, and heard stories about it from their parents and grandparents.

Now fast forward 50 years. From anyone say 30yrs and younger, there is no real cultural connection to a Main Street. It’s outside kids perspective and even their parents and grandparents have no real personal connection to Main Street experience, other than going to Main Street at Disney. If you want the same type of nostalgic/personal relationship between guests and the Main Street experience, at some point it’s going to have to change to evoke that feeling with new generations off guests.

Because the 20th century is over does NOT mean you convert a designed part of parks to a silly Mickey thing…

It’s more stimulating to customers to have something less familiar as the gateway to your park. A conversion screams
Six flags

Swing and miss on this one.
 

Chef Mickey

Well-Known Member
Yeah and in addition to all the downtime on Rise, you also have some of the effects being turned off (cannons)

I agree that 2 attractions for a land is insufficient. I am not a fan of Avengers Campus aesthetically but at least it’s getting four which feels more up to par with one of the original lands (albeit one reskin, one flat, and one cruddy screen game)
Are the cannons now permanently off?
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Are the cannons now permanently off?
I Try to keep my comments (first time for everything) to a minimum on that ride…

But we will very quickly all come to the consensus is frankly a boring ride that is based off atrocious material. People have kinda sold themselves a bill of goods on that ride like we’ve never seen
When you look back at Iger’s vision for SWGE:

A generic type of “Space World” that has no attachments to any of the canon material. That largely ignores legacy characters, and emphasizes experiences from the re-boot.

Ladies and Gentlemen I present to you “The Magic”.
Yep…thisee right a here 👆🏻
 

JIMINYCR

Well-Known Member
Iger's run had gone on for too long prior to his first so called retirement. He felt the need to linger in the background because he couldnt let go. Thats the modus-operandi of many top level operators who "retire but linger". They cant believe anyone else can do the job they did or dont want a replacement to change the policies or structures they put in place that might be better than theirs. They are insecure people who dont dare to let go for fear of being shown up as less capable than their replacements. They want to keep their fingers in the pie and have the need to be needed. Iger (and others) who ran Disney made their mark and should let go for the good of the company, but sadly they cant recognize when that time is or was. They are so self absorbed that harm to what and who they served no longer matters.
The board is just as much at fault for extending Igers run and failing to find suitable replacements. And especially welcoming him back as a savior from Bob C.
 

JMcMahonEsq

Well-Known Member
Because the 20th century is over does NOT mean you convert a designed part of parks to a silly Mickey thing…

It’s more stimulating to customers to have something less familiar as the gateway to your park. A conversion screams
Six flags

Swing and miss on this one.
You think its more stimulating to have something that people aren't familiar with, have no connection with or understanding of, and is viewed by many as just unrelatable or old?

I mean seriously? The choice of the design and theming of Main street back when the park was first conceived was done intentionally, with the purpose of evoking certain emotional feelings and attachments. But while Pepperidge Farm might remember some of the "good" old days from people who where born in the 50/60/70 those times are over. The main driving economic force for the parks now, and in the future, people in their mid 20's to late 30's who are bringing their kids and raising the next Disney generation and the kids who are going to the park now don't have any connection to old fashion main street. Just like most of them don't and have never worn racoon skin caps, played cowboys and Indians, built a fort in the woods, or have much of any idea who Tom Sawyer or the Robinson's are anymore.

There was a reason the timeframe of Main Street was decided as the theming for WDW, as opposed to earlier in American history such as 1800's or colonial times. It was meant to connect with the generations paying to visit the parks, and the kids who heard about how things used to be from their parents/grandparents, and now how the opportunity of idealized shared experience. After 50 years and multiple generations, times change, as does new generations triggers for nostalgia.

WDW was never meant to be a time capsule that never changes. I mean I love IASW as much as the next person, but when our kids start saying that the figures on the ride look silly, and they made better animatronics in their engineering class in middle school...and their right, you have a problem. I hate to make the argument against another of my favorite rides but take living with the land at Epcot. When we first went to the park, it was an amazing ride both with some history of agriculture, and unique and futuristic look at what the future may hold. Now you can get hydroponic and vertical planters for fruits and vegetables at your local home depot store. At some point like Brad Pitt said in Money Ball you have to "Evolve or Die." It doesn't mean every attempt to implement such changes are going to be done well, but change is inevitable you want the parks to hold the same place in kids hearts now, as they did in past generations. It just has to be recognized that present and future generations won't necessary connect the same way, to the same things.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
You think its more stimulating to have something that people aren't familiar with, have no connection with or understanding of, and is viewed by many as just unrelatable or old?

I mean seriously? The choice of the design and theming of Main street back when the park was first conceived was done intentionally, with the purpose of evoking certain emotional feelings and attachments. But while Pepperidge Farm might remember some of the "good" old days from people who where born in the 50/60/70 those times are over. The main driving economic force for the parks now, and in the future, people in their mid 20's to late 30's who are bringing their kids and raising the next Disney generation and the kids who are going to the park now don't have any connection to old fashion main street. Just like most of them don't and have never worn racoon skin caps, played cowboys and Indians, built a fort in the woods, or have much of any idea who Tom Sawyer or the Robinson's are anymore.

There was a reason the timeframe of Main Street was decided as the theming for WDW, as opposed to earlier in American history such as 1800's or colonial times. It was meant to connect with the generations paying to visit the parks, and the kids who heard about how things used to be from their parents/grandparents, and now how the opportunity of idealized shared experience. After 50 years and multiple generations, times change, as does new generations triggers for nostalgia.

WDW was never meant to be a time capsule that never changes. I mean I love IASW as much as the next person, but when our kids start saying that the figures on the ride look silly, and they made better animatronics in their engineering class in middle school...and their right, you have a problem. I hate to make the argument against another of my favorite rides but take living with the land at Epcot. When we first went to the park, it was an amazing ride both with some history of agriculture, and unique and futuristic look at what the future may hold. Now you can get hydroponic and vertical planters for fruits and vegetables at your local home depot store. At some point like Brad Pitt said in Money Ball you have to "Evolve or Die." It doesn't mean every attempt to implement such changes are going to be done well, but change is inevitable you want the parks to hold the same place in kids hearts now, as they did in past generations. It just has to be recognized that present and future generations won't necessary connect the same way, to the same things.
I think humans can enjoy more than just what they have seen recently on a streaming app…yes

Call me an optimist
 

DisneyHead123

Well-Known Member
You think its more stimulating to have something that people aren't familiar with, have no connection with or understanding of, and is viewed by many as just unrelatable or old?

I mean seriously? The choice of the design and theming of Main street back when the park was first conceived was done intentionally, with the purpose of evoking certain emotional feelings and attachments. But while Pepperidge Farm might remember some of the "good" old days from people who where born in the 50/60/70 those times are over. The main driving economic force for the parks now, and in the future, people in their mid 20's to late 30's who are bringing their kids and raising the next Disney generation and the kids who are going to the park now don't have any connection to old fashion main street. Just like most of them don't and have never worn racoon skin caps, played cowboys and Indians, built a fort in the woods, or have much of any idea who Tom Sawyer or the Robinson's are anymore.

There was a reason the timeframe of Main Street was decided as the theming for WDW, as opposed to earlier in American history such as 1800's or colonial times. It was meant to connect with the generations paying to visit the parks, and the kids who heard about how things used to be from their parents/grandparents, and now how the opportunity of idealized shared experience. After 50 years and multiple generations, times change, as does new generations triggers for nostalgia.

WDW was never meant to be a time capsule that never changes. I mean I love IASW as much as the next person, but when our kids start saying that the figures on the ride look silly, and they made better animatronics in their engineering class in middle school...and their right, you have a problem. I hate to make the argument against another of my favorite rides but take living with the land at Epcot. When we first went to the park, it was an amazing ride both with some history of agriculture, and unique and futuristic look at what the future may hold. Now you can get hydroponic and vertical planters for fruits and vegetables at your local home depot store. At some point like Brad Pitt said in Money Ball you have to "Evolve or Die." It doesn't mean every attempt to implement such changes are going to be done well, but change is inevitable you want the parks to hold the same place in kids hearts now, as they did in past generations. It just has to be recognized that present and future generations won't necessary connect the same way, to the same things.

I don’t think that “new stuff” vs. “old stuff” is necessarily the right metric here. The castle is from a much earlier time period, no one is suggesting that needs to go because they don’t have nostalgic memories of local castles.

To rework a Walt quote “Old farts are just cool young people with a mortgage, twenty years of having been beaten down by the workforce, and a flagging metabolism.” I mean ok, that one’s not going to sell posters on Etsy, but just as true as “Adults are only kids grown up, anyway.”

My point being that it’s not necessarily about what “the next generation wants”, because that will naturally change over their lifespan. Teens tend to be drawn to flashy things, arcades, clubs, things like that - it doesn’t mean that’s what MK should become to stay “current”. Classic towns like Cape May or Williamsburg (and many many others abroad) have charmed people not in spite of their vintage feel, but because of that.
 

MickeyLuv'r

Well-Known Member
I haven’t seen these rumors, but I don’t doubt it’s been discussed and have to say I don’t hate the idea for sometime in the future.

Main Street as a concept harkened back to an over romanticized version of the US small town main streets that Walt grew up with. It resonated with his generation, and likely the generation or 2 that followed as they maybe had some childhood memories of it, and heard stories about it from their parents and grandparents.

Now fast forward 50 years. From anyone say 30yrs and younger, there is no real cultural connection to a Main Street. It’s outside kids perspective and even their parents and grandparents have no real personal connection to Main Street experience, other than going to Main Street at Disney. If you want the same type of nostalgic/personal relationship between guests and the Main Street experience, at some point it’s going to have to change to evoke that feeling with new generations off guests.
Um, many towns and small cities still have a Main Street that look a lot like the one WDW is emulating.

And quite a few have rather recently built 'new' main streets. (Pseudo-Main Streets?) They are quite popular because they are walkable and attractive with a neighborhood vibe.

Also, many of the towns that have traditional Main Streets are popular with tourists for shopping and dining. Locations like: Chatham, MA; Annapolis, MD; Asheville, NC; Branson, MO; Grapevine, TX- just to name a handful.

They often tap into a similar kind of nostalgic historic vibe, especially in places that have historic significance.
 

Miru

Well-Known Member
I feel like Iger wants to stay at Disney for the rest of his life at this point. How will that play out?
 

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