Hurricane Milton coming to FL

maxairmike

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But again with the models showing the storm weaker by 70mb there abouts at the moment,

What I mean is, the current models hour 6 for the last two runs have somehow been off by 70mb.

Do you think the models are all underrepresenting the MSLP and 10m winds on those graphics? Those are what I’ve been using to try and calm my nerves since no matter the track they’re generally seeming to show sustained winds under 45kt here in the Orlando area. HWRF is showing a little stronger now along with the GFS, but everything else is topping out around 35-40 kt.
 

SoFloMagic

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The Bay of Campeche is some of the hottest water in the gulf traditionally, soon it will hit the center where the water is slightly cooler and may weaken a bit.
And wind shear is seen in almost all models (he's missing the bottom half in most).

I'm no expert, but my understanding is the erc will strengthen it, but if he hits the wind shear/dry air before that eye wall is restrengthened, it could be a bit of good news. At least for Orlando/inland. Not sure anything other than a turn will help Tampa at the moment.
 

cr3346

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These are about 4 hours apart. Definitely undergoing an ERC. Look how much bigger he became from the ERC. Hopefully that interaction with land weakens him more
 

SoFloMagic

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Do you think the models are all underrepresenting the MSLP and 10m winds on those graphics? Those are what I’ve been using to try and calm my nerves since no matter the track they’re generally seeming to show sustained winds under 45kt here in the Orlando area. HWRF is showing a little stronger now along with the GFS, but everything else is topping out around 35-40 kt.
I was wondering if it was because the GFS shows him turning N/NE and the weakened/breached bottom of the eye hitting Orlando.
 

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Gringrinngghost

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Code:
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WTNT34 KNHC 080238
TCPAT4

BULLETIN
Hurricane Milton Advisory Number  12
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL       AL142024
1000 PM CDT Mon Oct 07 2024

...CATEGORY 5 HURRICANE MILTON MOVING NEAR THE NORTHERN COAST OF
THE YUCATAN PENINSULA...
...MILTON POSES AN EXTREMELY SERIOUS THREAT TO FLORIDA AND
RESIDENTS ARE URGED TO FOLLOW THE ORDERS OF LOCAL OFFICIALS...


SUMMARY OF 1000 PM CDT...0300 UTC...INFORMATION
-----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...21.8N 89.9W
ABOUT 35 MI...60 KM NNW OF PROGRESO MEXICO
ABOUT 630 MI...1015 KM SW OF TAMPA FLORIDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...165 MPH...270 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...E OR 90 DEGREES AT 9 MPH...15 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...914 MB...26.99 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY:

None.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT:

A Storm Surge Warning is in effect for...
* West coast of Florida from Flamingo northward to the Suwannee
River, including Charlotte Harbor and Tampa Bay

A Hurricane Warning is in effect for...
* Celestun to Rio Lagartos
* Florida west coast from Bonita Beach northward to the mouth of the
Suwannee River, including Tampa Bay

A Storm Surge Watch is in effect for...
* Sebastian Inlet to Edisto Beach, including St. Johns River

A Hurricane Watch is in effect for...
* Rio Lagartos to Cabo Catoche
* Campeche to south of Celestun
* Dry Tortugas
* Lake Okeechobee
* Florida west coast from Chokoloskee to south of Bonita Beach
* Florida east coast from the St. Lucie/Indian River County Line
northward to the mouth of the St. Marys River

A Tropical Storm Warning is in effect for...
* Rio Lagartos to Cancun
* Campeche to south of Celestun
* All of the Florida Keys, including Dry Tortugas
* Lake Okeechobee
* Florida west coast from Flamingo to south of Bonita Beach
* Florida west coast from north of the mouth of the Suwanee River to
Indian Pass

A Tropical Storm Watch is in effect for…
* East coast of the Florida Peninsula south of the St. Lucie/Indian
River County Line southward to Flamingo
* Coast of Georgia and South Carolina from north of the mouth of the
St. Marys River to South Santee River, South Carolina

A Storm Surge Warning means there is a danger of life-threatening
inundation, from rising water moving inland from the coastline,
during the next 36 hours in the indicated locations. For a
depiction of areas at risk, please see the National Weather
Service Storm Surge Watch/Warning Graphic, available at
hurricanes.gov.  This is a life-threatening situation.  Persons
located within these areas should take all necessary actions to
protect life and property from rising water and the potential for
other dangerous conditions.  Promptly follow evacuation and other
instructions from local officials.

A Hurricane Warning means that hurricane conditions are expected
somewhere within the warning area.  A warning is typically issued
36 hours before the anticipated first occurrence of
tropical-storm-force winds, conditions that make outside
preparations difficult or dangerous.  Preparations to protect life
and property should be rushed to completion.

A Tropical Storm Warning means that tropical storm conditions are
expected somewhere within the warning area within 36 hours.

A Storm Surge Watch means there is a possibility of life-
threatening inundation, from rising water moving inland from the
coastline, in the indicated locations during the next 48 hours.
For a depiction of areas at risk, please see the National Weather
Service Storm Surge Watch/Warning Graphic, available at
hurricanes.gov.

A Hurricane Watch means that hurricane conditions are possible
within the watch area.  A watch is typically issued 48 hours
before the anticipated first occurrence of tropical-storm-force
winds, conditions that make outside preparations difficult or
dangerous.

A Tropical Storm Watch means that tropical storm conditions are
possible within the watch area, generally within 48 hours.

Interests in the remainder of Florida and the northwestern Bahamas
should monitor the progress of this system.

For storm information specific to your area in the United
States, including possible inland watches and warnings, please
monitor products issued by your local National Weather Service
forecast office. For storm information specific to your area
outside of the United States, please monitor products issued by
your national meteorological service.


DISCUSSION AND OUTLOOK
----------------------
At 1000 PM CDT (0300 UTC), the center of Hurricane Milton was
located near latitude 21.8 North, longitude 89.9 West. Milton is
moving toward the east near 9 mph (15 km/h).  This general motion is
expected through tonight followed by a turn toward the east-
northeast and northeast on Tuesday and Wednesday.  On the forecast
track, the center of Milton is forecast to move near or just north
of the Yucatan Peninsula tonight and Tuesday, then cross the eastern
Gulf of Mexico and approach the west coast of the Florida Peninsula
on Wednesday.

Maximum sustained winds are near 165 mph (270 km/h) with higher
gusts.  Milton is a potentially catastrophic category 5 hurricane on
the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Wind Scale.  While fluctuations in
intensity are expected, Milton is forecast to remain an extremely
dangerous hurricane through landfall in Florida.

Hurricane-force winds extend outward up to 30 miles (45 km) from the
center and tropical-storm-force winds extend outward up to 80 miles
(130 km).

The most recent minimum central pressure estimated from Hurricane
Hunter aircraft observations is 914 mb (26.99 inches).


HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
----------------------
Key Messages for Milton can be found in the Tropical Cyclone
Discussion under AWIPS header MIATCDAT4 and WMO header WTNT44 KNHC
and on the web at hurricanes.gov/text/MIATCDAT4.shtml

STORM SURGE:  A storm surge will raise water levels by as much as 4
to 6 feet above ground level along the northern coast of the
Yucatan Peninsula in areas of onshore winds.  Near the coast, the
surge will be accompanied by large and destructive waves.

The combination of a dangerous storm surge and the tide will cause
normally dry areas near the coast to be flooded by rising waters
moving inland from the shoreline.  The water could reach the
following heights above ground somewhere in the indicated areas if
the peak surge occurs at the time of high tide...

Anclote River, FL to Englewood, FL...10-15 ft
Tampa Bay...10-15 ft
Englewood, FL to Bonita Beach, FL...6-10 ft
Charlotte Harbor...6-10 ft
Yankeetown, FL to Anclote River, FL...5-10 ft
Bonita Beach, FL to Chokoloskee, FL...4-7 ft
Suwannee River, FL to Yankeetown, FL...3-5 ft
Chokoloskee, FL to Flamingo, FL...3-5 ft
Flagler/Volusia County Line, FL to Altamaha Sound, GA...3-5 ft
Sebastian Inlet, FL to Flagler/Volusia County Line, FL...2-4 ft
Altamaha Sound, GA to Edisto Beach, SC...2-4 ft
Dry Tortugas...2-4 ft
St. Johns River...2-4 ft

The deepest water will occur along the immediate coast near and to
the south of the landfall location, where the surge will be
accompanied by large and dangerous waves.  Surge-related flooding
depends on the relative timing of the surge and the tidal cycle,
and can vary greatly over short distances.  For information
specific to your area, please see products issued by your local
National Weather Service forecast office.

For a complete depiction of areas at risk of storm surge
inundation, please see the National Weather Service Peak Storm
Surge Graphic, available at
hurricanes.gov/graphics_at4.shtml?peakSurge.

RAINFALL: Rainfall amounts of 5 to 10 inches, with localized totals
up to 15 inches, are expected across portions of the Florida
Peninsula through Thursday. This rainfall brings the risk of
considerable flash, urban, and areal flooding, along with moderate
to major river flooding.

Milton will also produce rainfall totals 4 to 7 inches across the
Florida Keys through Thursday. In addition, rainfall amounts of  2
to 4 inches with isolated totals around 6 inches are expected across
northern portions of the Yucatan Peninsula.

For a complete depiction of forecast rainfall associated with
Hurricane Milton, please see the National Weather Service Storm
Total Rainfall Graphic, available at
hurricanes.gov/graphics_at4.shtml?rainqpf and the Flash Flood Risk
graphic at hurricanes.gov/graphics_at4.shtml?ero.

WIND:  Hurricane conditions are expected in the warning area in
Mexico within a few hours, with tropical storm conditions currently
occurring.  Hurricane conditions are possible in the watch areas in
Mexico tonight and Tuesday, and tropical storm conditions are
expected in the tropical storm warning area tonight.

Hurricane conditions are expected in the warning area on the west
coast of Florida as early as Wednesday afternoon, with tropical
storm conditions beginning early Wednesday.  Hurricane conditions
could begin along the east coast of Florida in the watch areas on
Wednesday night, with tropical storm conditions possible beginning
Wednesday afternoon.  Tropical storm conditions are expected in the
tropical storm warning areas in Florida beginning early Wednesday
and will spread northward through the day. Tropical storm conditions
are possible within the watch area on the east coast of Florida by
Wednesday night and along the Georgia and South Carolina coasts on
Thursday.

TORNADOES: A few tornadoes are possible over central and southern
Florida Tuesday night through Wednesday.

SURF:  Swells generated by Milton are expected to continue to
affect much of the Gulf Coast within the next day or two, and are
likely to cause life-threatening surf and rip current conditions.
Please consult products from your local weather office.


NEXT ADVISORY
-------------
Next intermediate advisory at 100 AM CDT.
Next complete advisory at 400 AM CDT.

$$
Forecaster Pasch
 

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DryerLintFan

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Explain like I’m 5 what this all means ^


Not sure if this helps, but:
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I think the hope is that while the storm is a bit weaker it hits colder water or the wind shear to weaken it further. But instead it’s going to hit warm water which will strengthen it, along with that replacement eyewall getting set into place which could strengthen it too.

That’s how I’m understanding this thread, at least. I’m no expert and i don’t even play one on TV.
 

Gringrinngghost

Well-Known Member
Thank you for the reply. Do the models show the approximate storm surge on the Hillsborough County coastline of Old Tampa Bay? Also, approximately what wind speeds are you expecting in Lutz and Carolwood? Thank you so much
At this time for the storm surge, use the NHCs forecasts. There is a model for storm surge called P-Surge but the general models do not. For Lutz and Carolwood, currently a high end Category 2 at the minimum.

Do you think the models are all underrepresenting the MSLP and 10m winds on those graphics? Those are what I’ve been using to try and calm my nerves since no matter the track they’re generally seeming to show sustained winds under 45kt here in the Orlando area. HWRF is showing a little stronger now along with the GFS, but everything else is topping out around 35-40 kt.
For now yes, the current running GFS is starting hour 0 at 973mb, and is at a current 59mb delta, and then shows the storm just strengthening until landfall. During that time it would go to 956, which at the delta would be extrapolated at 897 -- the pressure that was reported at 8pm.

Do we know if anyone on the forum is stuck at Disney this time?
Does within 20 minute count?

And with that, I am going to sign off for the night. I've been up now for roughly 21 and a half hours.
 

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