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Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Premium Member
#notacrisis
Writing it as a hashtag doesn't make it true. Obama and the media had no issues calling it a crisis in 2014. The issues outlined today are no different.

The difference is Obamacare actually helps millions of people, myself included.
And hurt millions at the same time. Myself included.

The wall is not even a serious proposal.
Border Portal, DHS, angel moms, and millions of people disagree. And many on the left prior to Trump. And the proposal on the table today is NOT just for a wall. It is for 200 to 300 miles of additional barriers/wall/fencing and a bunch of other items that you yawned at the other day, but that the Dems have called for. You mentioned previously your concern for how people were being treated at the border. Well there is money in there for better facilities, including for keeping families together. You yawned at that too.
 

Jim S

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as a parent, this is one of the main reasons DD is not getting a smartphone until likely her late teens. Like when she can drive.

My nephew is 12 and his parents refuse to get him a smartphone too. There is a growing section of my generation - those of us that are the transition group between analog and digital age..we remember pre computer era, yet still grew up with computers. School district here is trying to move to 1-1 device:student ratio in school, and there’s a large, vocal advocacy group against it gaining ground.

The house actually passed two bills, which it appears you are not aware of. to totally confuse the process and abuse the system giving the senate the opportunity to use a twisted version of reconciliation to force this thru with unsavory tactics. Can you imagine the reaction if the republicans had behaved that way?

If you remember the house vote was very close and they did not rubber stamp the senate bill because it would not have passed the house. It is complicated and much of the press covered the whole process inaccurately.

Some but few in the press took the time to dissect the entire process but those that did clearly agree it was passed by reconciliation. Others in the press ran interference for the democrats-nothing new there.

The simplest way to understand this is the senate only had 59 votes and it could not pass without using reconciliation.
 

21stamps

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The house actually passed two bills, which it appears you are not aware of. to totally confuse the process and abuse the system giving the senate the opportunity to use a twisted version of reconciliation to force this thru with unsavory tactics. Can you imagine the reaction if the republicans had behaved that way?

If you remember the house vote was very close and they did not rubber stamp the senate bill because it would not have passed the house. It is complicated and much of the press covered the whole process inaccurately.

Some but few in the press took the time to dissect the entire process but those that did clearly agree it was passed by reconciliation. Others in the press ran interference for the democrats-nothing new there.

The simplest way to understand this is the senate only had 59 votes and it could not pass without using reconciliation.
....but we only complained because- Trump told us Obama wasn’t born in the US.

Nothing to do with what Obama and his crew did to the American people.
 

Jim S

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In 50 years, people are going to look back and see just how destructive social media has been to our society. Probably less time, but by then it will just be established fact.

I saw some staggering numbers the other day. Since 2011, when smartphones/social media 24/7 made it down to average middle schoolers, the rates of self-harm and suicide are wayyy up for them, especially among girls. And it is because of the very things you talk about - the whole culture of "like" and "dislike" and social approval has just been weaponized by that age group.

And we've seen what it has done to the rest of us. At least as adults, we can choose to step away - but when you are a kid in school and everyone else is on it, you can just never escape it.

I don't know what the solution is - there is no way to put it back in the box - but ironically the supposed "giving everyone a voice" technology has given us has been the worst thing for our society because we just don't know how to handle it.

The founders and many of big wigs in Facebook knew that Facebook could be destructive, especially to kids and went forward anyway.

Many of the big tech people at Google etc. it is said severely limit the use of technology by their own kids. Even want them in schools that do not rely on computers that much

I have no way to verify this info but is it is true they should step forward and issue warnings for their products and platforms. Is this like Big Tobacco all over again. I hope not but if they have information that needs to be shared with parents I ho;e they step up.
 

Angel Ariel

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The house actually passed two bills, which it appears you are not aware of. to totally confuse the process and abuse the system giving the senate the opportunity to use a twisted version of reconciliation to force this thru with unsavory tactics. Can you imagine the reaction if the republicans had behaved that way?

If you remember the house vote was very close and they did not rubber stamp the senate bill because it would not have passed the house. It is complicated and much of the press covered the whole process inaccurately.

Some but few in the press took the time to dissect the entire process but those that did clearly agree it was passed by reconciliation. Others in the press ran interference for the democrats-nothing new there.

The simplest way to understand this is the senate only had 59 votes and it could not pass without using reconciliation.
I wasn’t actually responding to you, Jim. It was something I started posting a few hours ago and stopped, hence the deletion of that section. It wasn’t a complete thought or post, so please do not make assumptions of my knowledge based off it.
 

Jim S

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A bit off topic but there was an interesting discussion yesterday in McAllen between Trump and Section Chief Ortiz. Ortiz said yesterday (Wednesday) in his sector they apprehended app 450 individuals at the border.

That was alarming enough but then he went on to say 133 were individuals not from Mexico or Central America. (India, Pakistan, China , etc were the countries mentioned.)

But this is a manufactured crisis according to democrats and the press.
 

Angel Ariel

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The founders and many of big wigs in Facebook knew that Facebook could be destructive, especially to kids and went forward anyway.

Many of the big tech people at Google etc. it is said severely limit the use of technology by their own kids. Even want them in schools that do not rely on computers that much

I have no way to verify this info but is it is true they should step forward and issue warnings for their products and platforms. Is this like Big Tobacco all over again. I hope not but if they have information that needs to be shared with parents I ho;e they step up.
There’s actually been articles about this. The advocacy group fighting against 1:1 devices in school has brought articles like this to our school board:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi62c2B9ObfAhVOneAKHWwsBFQQzPwBegQIARAD&url=https://www.businessinsider.com/silicon-valley-parents-raising-their-kids-tech-free-red-flag-2018-2&psig=AOvVaw3kDgRo-2HisxOTAAkNtOpU&ust=1547336560603601
 

AEfx

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Do most Democrats consider her the face of the party? I haven’t seen much support for her among the left-leaning posters here.
That's my entire point. The media (both social and mainstream) has labeled her as such. She is everywhere. Articles are written about her every day. You open up Facebook and there is story after story, people sharing tweet after tweet.

It doesn't matter what they consider her, the evidence is in the math. She is the most talked about Democrat, by far. She is a household name and hasn't even been on the job a week yet, with no previous accomplishments nor experience.
 

AEfx

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Yeah definitely not someone I consider the face of the party.
She may not be your preference for the face, but can you deny that she indeed is, by far, the most talked about Democrat in the nation?

That is why she is further fracturing the party. Because, like you, I don't believe many, or even most, believe in her politically or want to be represented by her - but here she is, how many 1st time congress people get a longform 20/20 interview to talk about their vision for the nation their first week on the job?

She is the face of the anti-Trump movement in the media, which has made her a central figure in spite of the fact that she has very little support for her politics.
 

Jim S

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That's my entire point. The media (both social and mainstream) has labeled her as such. She is everywhere. Articles are written about her every day. You open up Facebook and there is story after story, people sharing tweet after tweet.

It doesn't matter what they consider her, the evidence is in the math. She is the most talked about Democrat, by far. She is a household name and hasn't even been on the job a week yet, with no previous accomplishments nor experience.

She parrots the socialist agenda she was fed in college very well. Her green initiative has been a disaster for Spain, has badly hurt the middle class in Germany, and is a big factor in the malaise in the EU. Does she even know?

Does she ever get outside her bubble that she was fed in college? It doesn't sound like it. People that are ignorant and uninformed and don't even know they are ignorant and uniformed are dangerous.
 

kong1802

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as a parent, this is one of the main reasons DD is not getting a smartphone until likely her late teens. Like when she can drive.

My nephew is 12 and his parents refuse to get him a smartphone too. There is a growing section of my generation - those of us that are the transition group between analog and digital age..we remember pre computer era, yet still grew up with computers - who feel similarly. School district here is trying to move to 1-1 device:student ratio in school, and there’s a large, vocal advocacy group against it gaining ground.
Yeah the 5th graders here all got one (the ones in our neighborhood). So many elementary kids have one that the school sent out an email to “teach” parents how to monitor their use. I’m flabbergasted by it. We already told our kids maybe when they are 16. But it’s gonna be a Cricket or whatever that flips open and only has 4 buttons. 1 will call me, 1 my wife, 1 911, and another 911.
 

21stamps

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I’m going to be the odd one out on the cell phone. I think 11 is an appropriate age. Not before, but I think waiting til 16 is too long.

When I was a kid there was a pay phone almost anywhere you looked when out.. that’s not so anymore.
 

Tony the Tigger

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I’m thankful everyday that I didn’t have to go through school in this age. It was enough to deal with the usual high school drama but once that bell rang, you could leave most of it behind. Now, it’s literally constant.

My 80 year old father, I know I bring him up a lot here, and I went out to dinner the other day. We were discussing this very topic. He said that the brilliance of social media is the sound byte style. There’s no way to misinterpret, really, because there’s not enough room to do so. The message is out, unfiltered. No middle-man. No editor. No review process. No context. And that’s why so many people take these short statements as the gospel truth, he said. “In his day,” ohhh, Dad... , “you’d want people to move past the headlines. Today, tweets are the headlines. There’s nothing to move past.” Now, he didn’t mean to apply that to everyone, but he said the damn thing keeps working.
The problem there is the headlines very often don’t match the articles.
 
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