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OneofThree

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Why? Because those people don’t know history, don’t know politics, don’t know correct terminology, basically-don’t really know much at all.
I agree for the most part. I would only add that there does exist a contingent who really are aware, and so forward the inaccurate definitions subversively. Generally, these include the "academic" and political elite, looking upon themselves as caretakers benevolently shouldering the burden of bringing about "progress" for their less gifted brethren.
 
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Gitson Shiggles

There was me, that is Mickey, and my three droogs
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Tony Perkis

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It appears the press and democrats have just dropped Dr Ford. I guess she served their purpose as part of the plot to derail Kavanaugh and now are done with her.
That’s blatantly false. You’re spreading fake news again without any supporting source.

Do any Google news search. She’s still being covered significantly. Just because Faux News doesn’t cover her doesn’t mean real media sources aren’t.
 

Tony the Tigger

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You got called racist and the left was then characterized as racist. It was one of 3 what’s his name.
For the record, @BuddyThomas I did not see anyone call you a racist and I do not have @OneofThree on ignore. "Hypocrite" was suggested, but not racist, unless something was removed/edited.

Oh, I need my laptop for this.
Got it!

There you have it black people (and gay people, based on comments to members on this forum) -you cannot support Trump or conservativism based on your skin color or sexual orientation. The hypocrisy of the left knows no bounds.
I’m referring to the “Make Kanye 2006 Again” crowd. The ones who would call him a “ćoon”, “tap dancer”, or “respectable negro”. I think Kanye’s kinda kooky myself, and I’m typically not enamored by celebrity; but at least he’s not marching to the same jackass drummer most of black voters and many on the left expect blacks to follow.
You will find exceptions in every category. Sometimes they just live in a different set of circumstances (typically money) that make them more or less immune to the circumstances more typical to their category. (Example: a rich black man may be less concerned about the ghetto than people who grew up in the ghetto.)

So that man may vote in his own self interest rather than in the interest of his category (i.e. more worried about his tax rate than if people are denied their right to vote.)

You will find gay people who are against gay marriage. Obviously you will find women against having the right to choose.

Sometimes people who vote or just believe what appears to be against their own self-interest could use a therapist. (A gay person who thinks they won't ever get married because nobody likes them right now may say they are against gay marriage. IMO, that's a selfish point of view, but understandable if they are psychologically stuck somewhere.)

Other times they're just practical, as in the tax rate vs. voting example.

Sometimes they're naive, ill-informed, not politically active, etc.

So, generally speaking, yes - if a gay person is voting for Republicans, there's some deeper digging to do there. Are they just rich and single and not able to see the future or care about the circumstances of others like them? Or are they somewhere along that psychological bridge where they were able to say they were gay, but they're not that gay. They won't accept certain sex roles. They won't dance with their arms in the air. They think they're "the good gay" because they don't "make trouble." Some people would praise them for that. (The wrong people from whom to seek praise.)

Examples of individuals who cross the lines are generally unimportant statistically. Don't expect all are rational actors, that's my point, I guess.

And yes, gay people and black people supporting Trump have made some kind of bargain with themselves to allow part of themselves to be ignored/exploited/discriminated against in exchange for something else.

Or they're so gullible, they believe Trump when he says he gives a rip about black and gay people.
 

Tony the Tigger

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I actually just read this on someone's FB yesterday:

“What is "Far Right"
I hold the same beliefs I have held for a half century. Most of those I have validated through independent study. (It turns out, most of the stuff I learned from my parents and others in their generation, is true after all.)
So what defines me as "far right"?
Well, it is no secret that a LOT of folks in our culture have abandoned the teaching of their fathers. Many have rejected the lessons of history (If they ever bothered to study them in the first place). The natural result is a slide to the left. So, from their perspective, those of us who have not moved are "far right" IF we going to use the relative position of the left as the standard.
But what if we used the historical markers of the past generations (i.e. the founders of the republic) as the standard unit of measurement or baseline?
By THAT measure, I'm not "far right" at all. In fact, I would probably be considered "centrist" or "just right".
Navigation tip: When determining your position always measure from a fixed known point. IF you measure from a non-stationary point, you will NEVER know where you are.
That's one of those things that sounds nice, or makes someone feel better about themselves.

There is a difference between "holding beliefs" for half a century vs. actively trying to force others to live by your beliefs. That's the difference between what has generally been considered the right vs. the far right. The mainstream right knew they had to compromise because they aren't the only ones who live in this country.

The mainstream right is now the far right. There is no denying the shift. Or at least, they got more far right leaders elected.

Jeff Flake is not even a centrist. He was just slightly reasonable and traditional.

I can be personally against abortion. I can counsel anyone who bothers to ask my opinion and suggest they go the adoption route instead.

I can't then cross the line and force someone else to live by what I've decided for myself. Who am I? Just another citizen.

And before anybody tries it, no, forcing non-discrimination is not the same thing. We ARE all equal in this country, whether some like it or not. That cannot be abridged because one group doesn't think another group should have equal rights. That doesn't work here. Wrong country.
 

21stamps

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For the record, @BuddyThomas I did not see anyone call you a racist and I do not have @OneofThree on ignore. "Hypocrite" was suggested, but not racist, unless something was removed/edited.



Got it!




You will find exceptions in every category. Sometimes they just live in a different set of circumstances (typically money) that make them more or less immune to the circumstances more typical to their category. (Example: a rich black man may be less concerned about the ghetto than people who grew up in the ghetto.)

So that man may vote in his own self interest rather than in the interest of his category (i.e. more worried about his tax rate than if people are denied their right to vote.)

You will find gay people who are against gay marriage. Obviously you will find women against having the right to choose.

Sometimes people who vote or just believe what appears to be against their own self-interest could use a therapist. (A gay person who thinks they won't ever get married because nobody likes them right now may say they are against gay marriage. IMO, that's a selfish point of view, but understandable if they are psychologically stuck somewhere.)

Other times they're just practical, as in the tax rate vs. voting example.

Sometimes they're naive, ill-informed, not politically active, etc.

So, generally speaking, yes - if a gay person is voting for Republicans, there's some deeper digging to do there. Are they just rich and single and not able to see the future or care about the circumstances of others like them? Or are they somewhere along that psychological bridge where they were able to say they were gay, but they're not that gay. They won't accept certain sex roles. They won't dance with their arms in the air. They think they're "the good gay" because they don't "make trouble." Some people would praise them for that. (The wrong people from whom to seek praise.)

Examples of individuals who cross the lines are generally unimportant statistically. Don't expect all are rational actors, that's my point, I guess.

And yes, gay people and black people supporting Trump have made some kind of bargain with themselves to allow part of themselves to be ignored/exploited/discriminated against in exchange for something else.

Or they're so gullible, they believe Trump when he says he gives a rip about black and gay people.
Wow. Tony. This is crazy.. I’m sorry, but it’s crazy.

People are Individuals.

This ‘box’ mentality is not something that I will ever believe in. It is the opposite of everything we should think. It is segregationist..it’s an insult to individuality. It’s the worst insult to someone’s own intelligence.. people do not have to walk in lock-step with someone else because of their skin color, gender, or sexuality.
 

21stamps

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I am also getting so sick of men and non-parents continuing to say how “pro life” is such an evil thing.. and that men are responsible for it.

1. A group of men determined Roe v Wade.

2. None of you have carried a child. Not that you need to in order to be pro life, but it you have, you might understand that a lot of women who are “Pro Life” know what a pregnancy feels like.. feels the baby move inside of her, hears their heartbeat.
Yes, some mothers are Pro Choice.. and I can’t understand that.. but, abortion is legal, so it is what it is.. What we can do as Pro Choice is make sure that abortions are limited to the earliest of stages, and that education is provided so women understand that they have other choices besides aborting a human life.

So, when talking about women “voting against their own interests” by being a pro lifer.. you couldn’t be more wrong. We are voting for OUR interests, the interest of human life.
 

EricsBiscuit

Well-Known Member
For the record, @BuddyThomas I did not see anyone call you a racist and I do not have @OneofThree on ignore. "Hypocrite" was suggested, but not racist, unless something was removed/edited.



Got it!




You will find exceptions in every category. Sometimes they just live in a different set of circumstances (typically money) that make them more or less immune to the circumstances more typical to their category. (Example: a rich black man may be less concerned about the ghetto than people who grew up in the ghetto.)

So that man may vote in his own self interest rather than in the interest of his category (i.e. more worried about his tax rate than if people are denied their right to vote.)

You will find gay people who are against gay marriage. Obviously you will find women against having the right to choose.

Sometimes people who vote or just believe what appears to be against their own self-interest could use a therapist. (A gay person who thinks they won't ever get married because nobody likes them right now may say they are against gay marriage. IMO, that's a selfish point of view, but understandable if they are psychologically stuck somewhere.)

Other times they're just practical, as in the tax rate vs. voting example.

Sometimes they're naive, ill-informed, not politically active, etc.

So, generally speaking, yes - if a gay person is voting for Republicans, there's some deeper digging to do there. Are they just rich and single and not able to see the future or care about the circumstances of others like them? Or are they somewhere along that psychological bridge where they were able to say they were gay, but they're not that gay. They won't accept certain sex roles. They won't dance with their arms in the air. They think they're "the good gay" because they don't "make trouble." Some people would praise them for that. (The wrong people from whom to seek praise.)

Examples of individuals who cross the lines are generally unimportant statistically. Don't expect all are rational actors, that's my point, I guess.

And yes, gay people and black people supporting Trump have made some kind of bargain with themselves to allow part of themselves to be ignored/exploited/discriminated against in exchange for something else.

Or they're so gullible, they believe Trump when he says he gives a rip about black and gay people.
This post is very disturbing. The left talks about systematic racism and then they blame it on the right. Meanwhile, they categorize everyone and try to destroy people who don't fit their categories. I'm a Hispanic. I am a Republican. I am a Republican because I think for myself and I believe in the party platform.
 

21stamps

Well-Known Member
This post is very disturbing. The left talks about systematic racism and then they blame it on the right. Meanwhile, they categorize everyone and try to destroy people who don't fit their categories. I'm a Hispanic. I am a Republican. I am a Republican because I think for myself and I believe in the party platform.
Wait, so you don’t fit in a neat little box of what someone tells you to be restricted to?

How dare you?!!
 

aw14

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This post is very disturbing. The left talks about systematic racism and then they blame it on the right. Meanwhile, they categorize everyone and try to destroy people who don't fit their categories. I'm a Hispanic. I am a Republican. I am a Republican because I think for myself and I believe in the party platform.
I love how the left crushes Kanye (not a fan personally). Not a word with Obama having Jay z and Beyonce in the situation room, or snoop talking about how he smoked weed in the WH.

And let’s not talk about how Bill destroyed the sanctity of the Oval Office. 🚬 lol sorry just had to

I am so amazed at hearing many who post here that are on the left regurgitate talking points from CNN verbatim. Pathetic
 

The Mom

Moderator
Premium Member
I am also getting so sick of men and non-parents continuing to say how “pro life” is such an evil thing.. and that men are responsible for it.

1. A group of men determined Roe v Wade.

2. None of you have carried a child. Not that you need to in order to be pro life, but it you have, you might understand that a lot of women who are “Pro Life” know what a pregnancy feels like.. feels the baby move inside of her, hears their heartbeat.
Yes, some mothers are Pro Choice.. and I can’t understand that.. but, abortion is legal, so it is what it is.. What we can do as Pro Choice is make sure that abortions are limited to the earliest of stages, and that education is provided so women understand that they have other choices besides aborting a human life.

So, when talking about women “voting against their own interests” by being a pro lifer.. you couldn’t be more wrong. We are voting for OUR interests, the interest of human life.
As someone who has also carried a child, I can't imagine forcing a woman to do so unless that is her choice. It's one thing to go through labor/c-section because you want a child badly enough to do so, but quite another to be forced to do so.

Obviously, my first choice would be for a woman who chooses to have sex to also choose to not get pregnant in the first place, by using effective BC correctly.
 

Jim S

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I love how the left crushes Kanye (not a fan personally). Not a word with Obama having Jay z and Beyonce in the situation room, or snoop talking about how he smoked weed in the WH.

And let’s not talk about how Bill destroyed the sanctity of the Oval Office. 🚬 lol sorry just had to

I am so amazed at hearing many who post here that are on the left regurgitate talking points from CNN verbatim. Pathetic
I have never heard one of Kanye songs-so I know nothing about him and he could turn on Trump at any time. But one thing for sure he has the press and the democrats' heads' exploding. You are correct pointing out their hypocrisy concerning the Oval Office. Liked the cigar reference.

They know if republicans get 20% of the black vote the democrats can not win a national election and this is why they are showing this level of panic.
It was comical watching some of the liberal networks the last few nights. They said he was a token Negro-said he is what happens when Negros don't read. He is mentally ill. Can you imagine the right doing this?
 
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