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Gomer

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...but we know what he has found on the people already charged- which is nothing related to the purpose of the investigation.
Mueller can’t hold back public info on what the specific charges are. Not even he has that power.
When you go to a restaurant do you stand over the chefs shoulder screaming “that doesn’t look like chicken Marsala! I ordered chicken Marsala! Where are the mushrooms?!?!” Or do you wait til they’re finished and judge the complete meal?
 

Jim S

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...but we know what he has found on the people already charged- which is nothing related to the purpose of the investigation.
Mueller can’t hold back public info on what the specific charges are. Not even he has that power.
He indicted the Russians-even Rosenstein said they did not change the outcome of the election. Those are show pony indictments.

Of course the big one was Papadopoulous -that we were told by democrats and the press was the reason for the starting of the investigation-and he was sentenced to a whole two weeks.
]Manafort charged on nothing to do with Russia and the election. Mueller if he was so good would already have that info from Gates if it involved the Trump team.
 

EricsBiscuit

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Socialism is a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. Which goes completely against what regimentation means.

Regimentation is to organize rigidly especially for the sake of regulation or control. If everyone is in control which socialism actually states then regimentation can not exist.

A lot of "communist" countries are not communist or even socialist as it forgets the biggest part of communism is everyone is equal and in control. Those countries are totalitarian governments under the guise of communism.
According to FA Hayek, the first philosophers in France who thought of socialism knew that an organizing body was needed since there would be no market for goods.
 

Jim S

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When you go to a restaurant do you stand over the chefs shoulder screaming “that doesn’t look like chicken Marsala! I ordered chicken Marsala! Where are the mushrooms?!?!” Or do you wait til they’re finished and judge the complete meal?
Once again I ask do you want to investigate the investigators, the DOJ, and FBI as vigorously at Trump has been investigated. I have ask you several times so I assume you are not interested in investigating all possibilities as it applies to messing with our election.
Including Russians and US govt agencies.
You seem to not want to answer that question.
 

Gomer

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Once again I ask do you want to investigate the investigators, the DOJ, and FBI as vigorously at Trump has been investigated. I have ask you several times so I assume you are not interested in investigating all possibilities as it applies to messing with our election.
Including Russians and US govt agencies.
You seem to not want to answer that question.
I answered that already. But I get the feeling you don’t actually read my posts so that makes sense. I am all for investigating anyone or anything who investigators have reason to suspect of acts regarding the attack on our election or a theoretical conspiracy to make one up.

As I said before. I don’t care who it comes back to or what party is responsible. If people are acting illegally to influence politics they should be investigated.
 

Club34

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I believe it is you who is not reading.
Is the investigation over? Has it produced indictments related to Russian meddling? Do we know the full extent of what is being investigated and what information is being given in plea deals?

If you answer all of the above honestly then passing judgment on the investigations merits is nothing but assumptions and speculation based on limited info and/or political bias.
Or...

I could not disagree more.
By all means, share the evidence... I want to see this thing end and see what's what. Stop withholding. Share what you got...
 

OneofThree

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By all means, share the evidence... I want to see this thing end and see what's what. Stop withholding. Share what you got...
Still working on that intellectual honesty, hmm? I'm not about to scour the interwebs for you, but you can begin here and follow the trail yourself.

“Who gives a f*ck, one more AD like [redacted] or whoever?” Strzok wrote, weighing the merits of promotion, before apparently suggesting what would be a more attractive role: “An investigation leading to impeachment?”

Lisa Page apparently realized the conversation had gone too far and tried to reel it in. “We should stop having this conversation here,” she texted back, adding later it was important to examine “the different realistic outcomes of this case.”

A few minutes later Strzok texted his own handicap of the Russia evidence: “You and I both know the odds are nothing. If I thought it was likely, I’d be there no question. I hesitate in part because of my gut sense and concern there’s no big there there.”


http://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/397902-opinion-one-fbi-text-message-in-russia-probe-should-alarm-every-american

“[Trump’s] not ever going to become president, right? Right?!” Page texted Strzok.

“No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it,” Strzok responded.


https://nypost.com/2018/06/14/texts-reveal-disgraced-fbi-agent-told-lover-well-stop-trump/

This tool is one of many.
 

21stamps

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When you go to a restaurant do you stand over the chefs shoulder screaming “that doesn’t look like chicken Marsala! I ordered chicken Marsala! Where are the mushrooms?!?!” Or do you wait til they’re finished and judge the complete meal?
The meal, as far as the current and year long indictments of specific people has already been served. It is public info.
 

Jim S

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I answered that already. But I get the feeling you don’t actually read my posts so that makes sense. I am all for investigating anyone or anything who investigators have reason to suspect of acts regarding the attack on our election or a theoretical conspiracy to make one up.

As I said before. I don’t care who it comes back to or what party is responsible. If people are acting illegally to influence politics they should be investigated.
I though you said those were conspiracy theories and were coming from angry talk show personalities.
 

Gomer

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The meal, as far as the current and year long indictments of specific people has already been served. It is public info.
No. You’re looking at a few uncooked ingredients and stubbornly calling it a meal even while the chef still is cooking away in the kitchen. Maybe the meal will be bad maybe it will be good. But you have no way of knowing until you tase the finished dish.
 

Gomer

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I though you said those were conspiracy theories and were coming from angry talk show personalities.
That’s all I have seen so far. Blowhards shouting at the sky about FBI agents with political beliefs and circumstantial evidence of some nefarious plot. But if professional investigators ( not pundits trying to rile you up for ratings) think otherwise and want to investigate then I would fully endorse an investigation.
 

Jim S

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That’s all I have seen so far. Blowhards shouting at the sky about FBI agents with political beliefs and circumstantial evidence of some nefarious plot. But if professional investigators ( not pundits trying to rile you up for ratings) think otherwise and want to investigate then I would fully endorse an investigation.
Strzok saying he could smell Trump voters when he visited a Wal Mart-no bias there. One example of many.
Horowitz said there was bias. Just couldn't prove it affected the investigation. That conclusion will soon change with the new discovered text. and once Trump declassifies the FISA application.

The new text uncovered this week leave no doubt about their bias and nefarious activities.
I challenge anyone to look up what those text say and see if they think Page Strzok and others in DOJ and FBI are not corrupt. However if you haven't seen those text then I guess they would have no meaning and can easily be dismissed.

Rather than examining the evidence it is much easier to call people blowhards shouting at the sky.
Sounds like you are getting angry.
 

Gomer

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Strzok saying he could smell Trump voters when he visited a Wal Mart-no bias there. One example of many.
Horowitz said there was bias. Just couldn't prove it affected the investigation. That conclusion will soon change with the new discovered text. and once Trump declassifies the FISA application.

The new text uncovered this week leave no doubt about their bias and nefarious activities.
I challenge anyone to look up what those text say and see if they think Page Strzok and others in DOJ and FBI are not corrupt. However if you haven't seen those text then I guess they would have no meaning and can easily be dismissed.

Rather than examining the evidence it is much easier to call people blowhards shouting at the sky.
Sounds like you are getting angry.
You seem very upset over my take on Hannity and Limbaugh....
 

21stamps

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No. You’re looking at a few uncooked ingredients and stubbornly calling it a meal even while the chef still is cooking away in the kitchen. Maybe the meal will be bad maybe it will be good. But you have no way of knowing until you tase the finished dish.
I don’t know if they can link Trump or anyone close to him with Russian collusion.. what I do know is that not one person who has been charged so far, has been charged with anything even close.
They haven’t been. Not one.


This is why I’m concerned. So far it’s an attack on associates of Trump, on their past dealings, completely unrelated. That’s a little frightening, that’s not what we do in this country. If they want to start investigating anyone who has substantial wealth, then go ahead.. but so far this is proving to be an ugly witch hunt directed at a specific group of people.
 
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