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Gomer

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Nice appeal to authority. Can you tell me why they classify Naziism as right wing? I've asked this before but you always appeal to authority (a logical fallacy).
It is unfair and hyperbolic to call Naziism either right or left wing. Fascism, and in particular naziism, pulls on the worst parts of both sides of ideas to bastardize them into an oppressive belief system. The nazi's incorporated parts of socialism in an effort to capitalize on the socialist movements in Germany and traditional right wing beliefs like nationalism and corporatism to prop up something entirely different and altogether morally corrupt.

They used xenophobia (a tactic of the right) and class warfare (a tactic of the left) to evil ends because it was a regime built out of manipulation. Honestly to compare either side of the political spectrum to the European fascists of the 20th centrury is ignorant and insulting.
 

Gomer

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I doubt Trump will ever admit to a mistake. To my knowledge he hasn't ever even apologized for what he said about John McCain in 2016.
This is a new low though. I'd hope someone advises him to backtrack. Denying the deaths of thousands of innocent people, regardless of the politicization of the relief efforts there, is akin to Holocaust deniers and 9/11 truthers. I usually try to restrain myself in hyperbolic accusations against Trump, but this was just disgusting. I don't even care if he believes it, a president should be better than to express those kinds of sentiments.
 

Jim S

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Oh I'm sure Sanders has a lie, I mean something prepared, that will explain Trump's callousness.
I don't see it as being intentionally callous. Trump strongly believes he has to be on the offense against the press and it makes for some unforced errors. If he remains reticent they will destroy him.
 

EricsBiscuit

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It is unfair and hyperbolic to call Naziism either right or left wing. Fascism, and in particular naziism, pulls on the worst parts of both sides of ideas to bastardize them into an oppressive belief system. The nazi's incorporated parts of socialism in an effort to capitalize on the socialist movements in Germany and traditional right wing beliefs like nationalism and corporatism to prop up something entirely different and altogether morally corrupt.

They used xenophobia (a tactic of the right) and class warfare (a tactic of the left) to evil ends because it was a regime built out of manipulation. Honestly to compare either side of the political spectrum to the European fascists of the 20th centrury is ignorant and insulting.
To an extent I agree. Corporatism isn't exactly right wing. Neither is xenophobia.
 

LittleBuford

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Can you tell me why they classify Naziism as right wing?
Because it was.

We’ve been here before, and I take full responsibility for taking the bait again when I should have just ignored you. This is just too surreal a “debate” to be having, so count me out. I know when I’ve been beaten—not by your “arguments”, mind, but by your sheer ideological obstinacy.
 

gsam4ever

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I don't see it as being intentionally callous. Trump strongly believes he has to be on the offense against the press and it makes for some unforced errors. If he remains reticent they will destroy him.
I'm sure it wasn't done intentionally however its is a completely tone-deaf and ignorant statement that is extremely callous. And this is one example of why the press goes after him so hard because he lies and misleads America so that he can make himself look good. Sad.
 

LittleBuford

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It is unfair and hyperbolic to call Naziism either right or left wing. Fascism, and in particular naziism, pulls on the worst parts of both sides of ideas to bastardize them into an oppressive belief system. The nazi's incorporated parts of socialism in an effort to capitalize on the socialist movements in Germany and traditional right wing beliefs like nationalism and corporatism to prop up something entirely different and altogether morally corrupt.

They used xenophobia (a tactic of the right) and class warfare (a tactic of the left) to evil ends because it was a regime built out of manipulation. Honestly to compare either side of the political spectrum to the European fascists of the 20th centrury is ignorant and insulting.
Why is it ignorant or insulting to call Nazism a far-right ideology? Doing so casts no aspersions on mainstream conservativism.
 

21stamps

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Sadly. I don't think it's in his makeup. But it would be so refreshing.
Jeb Bush made a rare comment on Twitter yesterday.. I think he used the term ‘“disappointing” words from our president ‘

He was promptly attacked for saying “disappointing” and not something stronger.
We’re such a hot mess.. The internet really does bring out the scum people.

We can attack Trump all day long for his horrible use of words, stats, and personal attacks.. but sometimes people have to look in the mirror as well. There’s no excuse for “but Trump does it”.... but people excuse their bad actions with this. It continues to shock me even when it shouldn’t. Let him be crass, we don’t need to be.
 

Willmark

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It probably has already been talked about with our prez denying death tolls in Puerto Rico and how he keeps claiming that it was a 'success'. But now he is arguing that Democrats had something to do with it.

Alright, let me preface by saying I didn't vote. I am not against either parties whatsoever. I am of the mindset that if a person runs for president and wants to look after our country, then by all means I am here to back you up.

But this guy...I don't think he is looking after us, but trying to just keep his own butt covered.
This came to mind when I considered both major party candidates in 2016:
“The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.​
Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe (Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, #2)
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Premium Member
Why is it ignorant or insulting to call Nazism a far-right ideology? Doing so casts no aspersions on mainstream conservativism.
Actually, that happens a lot. Many conservatives are frequently labelled as nazis or hitler.

Nazism and Communism are two sides of the same evil coin. Neither should be used to smear people who do not fit into either category.
 

Gomer

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Why is it ignorant or insulting to call Nazism a far-right ideology? Doing so casts no aspersions on mainstream conservativism.
Because Naziism bears as much resemblance to modern American right politics as Communism does to the left. Nazis had components of today's far-right philosophy but it was a bastardization of those things into an oppressive system of government.

I think its overly reductive to compare the two. Where I have trouble with Mr. Buscuit is in the hypocrisy of taking the worst case scenario of left leaning politics as his examples of why it is dangerous and un-American, while only looking at the purest form of right wing philosophy as some bastion of personal liberty. We need to be consistent. If we look at leftism and modern American socialism as benign in comparison to oppressive Communism, I think its only fair to do the same when it comes to modern nationalism in comparison to fascism.
 

KBLovesDisney

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This came to mind when I considered both major party candidates in 2016:
“The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.​
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.​
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.​
Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe (Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, #2)
Very interesting.
 

21stamps

Well-Known Member
Have you all not seen the “protests” and “counter protests” and “antifa” the past few years?

Is anyone seriously questioning that being “right” these days isn’t labeled as “Nazi” from a vocal portion of the “Left”? Really?
 
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