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Fresh FLE News for March 2010
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FLE is great as planned and it is being done in a way that allows for an extensive phase 3 should they decide.
I am 100% confident Imagineering is on track with the concept and it will work perfectly!
Just a side note..... WDW has 4 theme parks. If there is enough budget to add E tickets, then DHS and DAK should be the priority. When the first 2 phases of the FLE are complete the MK will feel complete for the first time in it's history. Stay the course Disney, you are doing the right thing with the FLE. Absolutely no doubt about it. :wave:
I am 100% confident Imagineering is on track with the concept and it will work perfectly!
Just a side note..... WDW has 4 theme parks. If there is enough budget to add E tickets, then DHS and DAK should be the priority. When the first 2 phases of the FLE are complete the MK will feel complete for the first time in it's history. Stay the course Disney, you are doing the right thing with the FLE. Absolutely no doubt about it. :wave:
Lee
Adventurer
Wow....I honestly and wholeheartedly disagree with almost every sentence in your entire post.
:shrug:
I think that may be a first....
I read the John Lasseter explanation and he makes absolutely perfect sense. I understand you don't have kids so I see why you are not impressed. It is designed for people with young children. I think WDW's scope of offerings now allows them the luxury of tailoring specific lands in this manner.
Just a hunch, but I'd guess WDW's next major investment in the parks will be more along the line of thrills and an older demo. The success of the FLE will give John Lasseter and Imagineering leverage for further creative investments at WDW. I'm very sure of it.
CaptainMichael
Well-Known Member
How could MK possibly be complete as long as the current Tomorrowland is a part of it? Also, half of Adventureland?:shrug:
Well as we know the parks are never truly complete. But there is complete and then there is complete. DL is complete. Epcot is complete to me even though it could use more countries I guess. DAK is 50 or 60% complete IMO, DHS the same. I remember when the MK was less then 50% complete. Right now I'd rate the MK at 80 or 85%. FLE will take that up to a good 90%. Of course this is all my opinion and highly subjective, so there you go.
BTW- Adding an E ticket to Adventureland and heavier theming and a new ride to TL would make the MK 100%.
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
That makes no sense, semantically...:brick:
The parks can become more cohesive, and more unified, and with better quality...but never, ever complete.
CaptainMichael
Well-Known Member
Which was my point.
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
Yes, it was a play on words. Literal much?
Holistically. Totally. Affirmative. Absolutely. Accurate. Correct.
:wave:
tirian
Well-Known Member
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that. :wave: I've been reading your posts long enough to know you don't mean the MK should have DL's leftovers, but I was typing fast and didn't have time to give you a huge response.
I meant that the sentence you typed is the same thing that DL-centric freaks use to justify DL quality and MK leftovers, and that sort of thing is online fanboy drivel.
I also fully agree with the part I highlighted in red. Sorry folks, but even though E.P.C.O.T. was his baby, Walt planned for all of WDW to be better than DL, including the MK. And since WDW is the cash cow, I do think the MK should be the best.
tirian
Well-Known Member
Except for Tomorrowland.
Understood. I just think the priority for expansion after the FLE should be DAK and DHS.
So let me qualify my previous statement. The FLE, with PH, will create a complete MK experience for the casual visitor and a 90% complete experience for the purists.
IMSO (In my subjective opinion)
tirian
Well-Known Member
Yeah, I'm feeling the same way.
tirian
Well-Known Member
Mr.EPCOT
Active Member
Cool. :wave:
Yeah, the Magic Kingdom was meant to be Disneyland refined and perfected. And I think it was, for a good amount of years. But while Disneyland has grown and evolved as it should, I would say that you can't describe the Magic Kingdom as any more than stagnant, and has arguably regressed. Once New Tomorrowland came and went in the mid-90s, the park just hit a wall. What's really awful is that while each other Disneyland is a very regional park, everyone from around the planet comes to see Walt Disney World and the Magic Kingdom, and it's that very popularity that management uses to justify that the MK is good enough and not pushing it to truly be the best.
And, yeah, the initial excitement of the Fantasyland announcement is wearing off for me, too. They should be able to pull off more than this after twenty years. Little Mermaid will be wonderful, I'm sure, but it's sad to think that we wouldn't be getting it, or maybe even anything at all, if it wasn't being cloned from Disneyland. As for Pixie Hollow, I really hope that doesn't happen, unless the franchise somehow strangely achieves a timeless classic status over the next couple years.
CaptainMichael
Well-Known Member
Especially if a certain Wizarding World wasn't being built down I-4.
tirian
Well-Known Member
It won't, a fact becoming very apparent, and it's giving planners cold feet regarding Phase 2. This is partly why absolutely no solid answers are being given.
Mr.EPCOT
Active Member
Could very well be.
Good. Hopefully, they'll take this opportunity to really stretch their creative muscle and put in something with much broader appeal. I know I said Magic Kingdom should be unique from Disneyland, but maybe make that area a starting point for a new, different Toontown that would push beyond the train tracks. There is that Roger Rabbit sequel coming, after all...
TP2000
Well-Known Member
I would disagree with that, using Disneyland as an easy American point of reference three time zones away.
An E Ticket in Adventureland and some more comprehensive theming in Tomorrowland will help (Disneyland's Tomorrowland needs similar help), but that would get Magic Kingdom to about 80% to Disneyland's 100%.
To get Magic Kingdom to 100%, you'd still need to address Magic Kingdom's nearly attraction-less flood control channel known as the Rivers of America.
Getting the Davy Crockett Canoes and Sailing Ship Columbia would be a good start, if not getting the Keelboats back. Whatever you do, get some life and purpose in that river like Disneyland has.
Once the Rivers of America get some of their pep back at Magic Kingdom, you'd need to address the lack of dark rides in Fantasyland. Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin, Alice in Wonderland, Pinnochio's Daring Journey, and Mr. Toad's Wild Ride are lacking from the Magic Kingdom. Get some ride vehicles moving in that land. StorybookLand Canal Boats and Casey Jr. Circus Train would be another option for action and movement.
Using Disneyland as the reference again, add an E Ticket to Adventureland (Indiana Jones?) and you are still missing three other E Tickets in the Matterhorn Bobsled, Star Tours and Submarine Voyage.
Kicking out the cash registers and stuffed animals in Magic Kingdom's Main Street Cinema, Fire Station and Penny Arcade would also help. Magic Kingdom's management could visit Disneyland to discover how to theme those facilities to... wait for it... a Cinema, a Fire Station, and a Penny Arcade. An additonal nighttime spectacular as big as Disneyland's Fantasmic! is also a requirement.
Offerings like Fantasmic! and Star Tours exist in other WDW properties, but that doesn't help the capacity and entertainment merit of Magic Kingdom. And that's the point, right?
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