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Formula 1 2021

Timmay

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1 week to go. Red Bull looks good after testing...Mercedes not so much.

Season 3 (the 2020 F1 season) of Drive to Survive starts today on Netflix.
 

Timmay

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Just a post race note. Hamilton exceeded track limits at turn four 29 times before being warned...in a 56 lap race.
 

Timmay

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I’m a casual F1 fan, so I’m not sure what that means. Do certain turns have a posted speed limit?
It’s to do with “leaving” the track boundaries. Some tracks have an abundance of asphalt on the outside of turns due to that track having several different configurations. So, in some turns drivers may tend to use that extra asphalt as part of the track, even though it’s not. In certain cases, in certain turns, drivers are told they must keep all four wheels from going beyond a white line on the outside of a turn. Below are two pictures that give an example. Neither picture is from the race on Sunday...just examples.

This car is not exceeding the track limit as not all four wheels are completely over the white line
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This car is exceeding the track limit set in place as all four wheels are over the white line
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Lilofan

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I noticed before the three drivers go to the winners area to receive their awards they get on the scale to be weighed. They must lose at least several pounds during the race. Racing in Malaysia, Dubai, and those much hotter climates must take its toll on their bodies.
 
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Timmay

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I noticed before the three drivers go to the winners area to receive their awards they get on the scale to be weighed. They must lose at least several pounds during the race. Racing in Malaysia, Dubai, and those much hotter climates must take its toll on their bodies.
All the drivers must be weighed after the race to ensure they don’t fall below the minimum allowance for the overall weight of the car and driver.
 

Lilofan

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All the drivers must be weighed after the race to ensure they don’t fall below the minimum allowance for the overall weight of the car and driver.
That's interesting. Even though its NASCAR wasn't there some jealousy talk from drivers when Danica Patrick who only weighs like 100lbs had an edge because she was so light?
 
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Timmay

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One last comment on this. Below is an actual shot of Hamilton exceeding the track limits at turn 4. It is a right hand turn and he is waaaay off to the left of the track, pointing to come back on the track. It was calculated that doing that 29 times before being warned gave him about a 3 second advantage overall, meaning Verstappen would have caught Hamilton by lap 42-43 instead of lap 53.

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Timmay

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That's interesting. Even though its NASCAR wasn't there done jealousy talk from drivers when Danica Patrick who only weighs like 100lbs had an edge because she was so light?
F1 cars weigh less than half of a NASCAR series car...1500lbs vs 3200lbs...so they are a bit more touchy about driver weight restriction.
 

Lilofan

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F1 cars weigh less than half of a NASCAR series car...1500lbs vs 3200lbs...so they are a bit more touchy about driver weight restriction.
1500 lbs! Wow. I've been to Japan and I think there is an F1 race there. If it is windy which it is at times that's dangerous for the drivers in those lightweight vehicles.
 

Mr Bill

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That's interesting. Even though its NASCAR wasn't there some jealousy talk from drivers when Danica Patrick who only weighs like 100lbs had an edge because she was so light?
NASCAR rules at the time required the car to weigh a minimum of 3,400 pounds with the driver and 3,200 pounds without. If a driver weighs 200 pounds, that's 200 pounds in the seat, nowhere else to put it. With Danica at say, 100 pounds, that's 100 pounds in the seat, and 100 pounds of tungsten ballast wherever they want to put it, which is going to be low to the ground to lower the center of gravity.
 

artvandelay

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It’s to do with “leaving” the track boundaries. Some tracks have an abundance of asphalt on the outside of turns due to that track having several different configurations. So, in some turns drivers may tend to use that extra asphalt as part of the track, even though it’s not. In certain cases, in certain turns, drivers are told they must keep all four wheels from going beyond a white line on the outside of a turn. Below are two pictures that give an example. Neither picture is from the race on Sunday...just examples.

This car is not exceeding the track limit as not all four wheels are completely over the white line
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This car is exceeding the track limit set in place as all four wheels are over the white line
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Thanks for the explanation. NASCAR has a white line rule on it’s super speedway tracks. You cannot be below the white line (bottom of the track) and pass a car. Regan Smith had a win taken away from him because he dipped below the white line and passed the leader on the last lap.

The opposite of this is at Phoenix, where you can cut the dogleg on the backstretch and try to pass.
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