Gusey
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It's always been more than just box office. Merch sales, streaming numbers on Disney+, awards, and especially with Encanto, the performance on the billboard charts/music downloads.
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News 'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom
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Encanto has also made $13M in DVD/Bluray sales. It's also Video on Demand with a cost to 'rent' or 'buy' on a whole bunch of streaming services.
D+ brings in billions of dollars per year in subscription fees. The minutes watch accrues to Encanto and D+ pays DAS for the use of Encanto. So, on DAS's books, Encanto's revenues are much more than the theatrical Box Office take.
Encanto has surely made an overall profit buy now.
Sure, Disney doesn't have bragging rights for a blockbuster Box Office, but they have something more important to a corporation: profit.
Also, Disney knows that Encanto's underperformance was their own fault by cutting short its theatrical run and announcing when it will be on D+. That was part of the frenzy of streamers fighting over the number of subscriptions. Encanto's theatrical take was sacrificed to boost D+ numbers. So, it would be odd for anyone at Disney to hold that against Encanto for not having a blockbuster Box Office.
D+ brings in billions of dollars per year in subscription fees. The minutes watch accrues to Encanto and D+ pays DAS for the use of Encanto. So, on DAS's books, Encanto's revenues are much more than the theatrical Box Office take.
Encanto has surely made an overall profit buy now.
Sure, Disney doesn't have bragging rights for a blockbuster Box Office, but they have something more important to a corporation: profit.
Also, Disney knows that Encanto's underperformance was their own fault by cutting short its theatrical run and announcing when it will be on D+. That was part of the frenzy of streamers fighting over the number of subscriptions. Encanto's theatrical take was sacrificed to boost D+ numbers. So, it would be odd for anyone at Disney to hold that against Encanto for not having a blockbuster Box Office.
Mike S
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Disney+ only just started making money last month and it’s likely that’s because Hulu is now lumped in.
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Disney’s streaming business turned a profit for the first time
Disney Plus didn’t add many subscribers, though.
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Pi on my Cake
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I'd also add that Encanto even with its lower box office made more than any Muppets movie ever has even adjusting for inflation and its not even close. Box Office (especially post pandemic) does not tell the whole story
Timothy_Q
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Merch is way more important long term than box office
Disney has a history of movies that opened to mild or bad numbers and went on to still sell merch 50 years later
Something that almost only Disney manages to do
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999th Happy Haunt
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Not from Disney at least
DisCOT_97
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This is the most puzzling thing about this whole retheme. The recent movie flopped big time and wasn’t well received. Isn’t Disney all about metrics with their ride choices. What exactly makes them believe that Indy will sell more merch than dinosaurs (which will always have some appeal)? The IP is practically irrelevant with people under 30.
sedati
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Tastes vary. I put WandaVision and Game of Thrones very high on a list of all time greats.
To me, Watchmen and Lost are something different altogether. There's not sticking a landing and then there's heading out without ever knowing where you're going and simply downing the plane.
Sorcerer Mickey
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As Hocus Pocus and Nightmare Before Christmas make the company a bajillion dollars every year around this time through Not So Spooky and Spirit Halloween.
Sorcerer Mickey
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What other IP could they use to reskin the current ride and match the theme? They must be on a budget and couldn't bulldoze the ride entirely, or it didn't make sense to do so.
MickeyMouse10
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They didn't really need to do another reskin and retheme of the land. With all the land that surrounds Animal Kingdom they could have just made a whole new land. There's plenty of animal themed lands they could have done. A Bug's Land, Australia, Beastly Dominion, Wilderness, Lion King and Zootopia (conservation station), a Dinoland expansion, Africa expansion, Asia expansion and Pandora expansion.
Sorcerer Mickey
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Absolutely, but that's just not how Disney operates in 2024. Anything new must replace something old.
MickeyMouse10
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Yep, that's true. Like Frozen and Indiana Jones. They are better rides than Maelstrom and Dinosaur. But both would have fit better at Hollywood Studios or maybe even Magic Kingdom.
Disney+ only just started making money last month and it’s likely that’s because Hulu is now lumped in.
Disney’s streaming business turned a profit for the first time
Disney Plus didn’t add many subscribers, though.
I didn't say 'billions in profits.'
But its revenue was in the billions. And it was spent on content made specifically for D+ and to pay studios for content that originated elsewhere, even if it were another Disney studio.
D+ deficit was DAS's gain. And if there was no D+, DAS would be selling it elsewhere.
UNCgolf
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Game of Thrones was an all-timer show for 4 seasons, then started to decline in the 5th, and really started collapsing in the 6th. There were still excellent moments scattered throughout, but the overall writing quality suffered a tremendous decline decline. I read the book series after watching the show and then it kind of made sense, as the show's decline more or less corresponded with running out of material to adapt.
Wanda/Vision was so great in the early episodes, but it kind of devolved into generic Marvel by the end. Still a good show, though.
Rich Brownn
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So did Sleeping Beauty, but it remained popular through the years. IJ has 4 successful movies, and a 5th that suffered from delays and COVID making people nervous about going to the theaters. They also overspent the budget
Rich Brownn
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Dinasour has nothing that compares to that big reveal of the inside with cars on bridges, others diving down, smoke and lasers. First time I rode it I think I actually gasped
EPCOTCenterLover
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Encanto is fun and very unique. Mary Poppins is still an iconic classic. I think the real issue here is that for some folks Lin-Manuel Miranda can do no wrong. I find his work a mixed bag. But your tastes may vary.
I grew up in Los Angeles as a DLR kid, one of my friends’ dad worked on IJ and we were all so so so excited to ride it. I remember waiting in 2h lines and using a tiny sponsored translation card to read the symbols on the walls and learning all the stunts (?) you could pull while waiting in line and the relief of finally reaching the room with the funny safety briefing video knowing you were only another several switchbacks away from the boarding room.
I have a lot of happy, nostalgic memories of the DLR ride but I like Dinosaur even more— though I think part of its appeal is that it’s unique (plus Dinosaurs!)— it’s execution may not be on the level of IJ but it’s somehow both charming and terrifying, even in its present state. I’ve never managed to get a picture of our whole family smiling together on Dinosaur, at least one person is flinching in surprise, screaming, or covering their eyes. I’ll miss it every time I visit AK, probably the way I’m wistful about Maelstrom at Epcot and the Peoplemover at Disneyland.
Most of all, I think this is worse than Frozen because we’re replacing a unique animal-centric attraction with a clone (I guess now Frozen is a retroactive clone
), probably an inferior one, and I don’t think IJ will attract many more guests so much as it will be in a “new” popular land next to a hit movie attraction— I’ll be curious to see if it actually draws that many guests or gets higher satisfaction scores in 5-10 years.
Final note re: IJ, after we visited Tokyo DisneySea last summer, our kids wanted to start watching the older Indiana Jones movies with their dad and they’ve all enjoyed it— so for all I know, Disney sees a lot of this and hopes it will help them keep monetizing the franchise beyond the millennial generation?
I have a lot of happy, nostalgic memories of the DLR ride but I like Dinosaur even more— though I think part of its appeal is that it’s unique (plus Dinosaurs!)— it’s execution may not be on the level of IJ but it’s somehow both charming and terrifying, even in its present state. I’ve never managed to get a picture of our whole family smiling together on Dinosaur, at least one person is flinching in surprise, screaming, or covering their eyes. I’ll miss it every time I visit AK, probably the way I’m wistful about Maelstrom at Epcot and the Peoplemover at Disneyland.
Most of all, I think this is worse than Frozen because we’re replacing a unique animal-centric attraction with a clone (I guess now Frozen is a retroactive clone
), probably an inferior one, and I don’t think IJ will attract many more guests so much as it will be in a “new” popular land next to a hit movie attraction— I’ll be curious to see if it actually draws that many guests or gets higher satisfaction scores in 5-10 years.Final note re: IJ, after we visited Tokyo DisneySea last summer, our kids wanted to start watching the older Indiana Jones movies with their dad and they’ve all enjoyed it— so for all I know, Disney sees a lot of this and hopes it will help them keep monetizing the franchise beyond the millennial generation?