Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

[DisneyCane]

Also the daily FDOH report, percentage positive stays flat for FL, most likely due to the heavy outbreak still in South Florida. The good news is the positivity in Orange County has dropped to 8.4% lowest it has been in weeks. Dropped over half from last week. The trend is looking good in Orlando.

The trends seem to show that Florida is roughly returning to the way it was at the beginning of the pandemic. Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach (in order) being the biggest problems and the rest of the state doing relatively well. Currently all are at a "worse" level than before but it seems to be trending back to that scenario.

If this is the case, I don't see any reason to adjust WDW operations based on statewide data if the bad data is 200 miles away. Even now around 1/4 of the new daily cases are in Miami-Dade. Like I said above, the way the parks are operating, it is highly unlikely for people from the hot areas to spread it to others at WDW.

 

[legwand77]

We might be seeing the “flattening of the curve“ in effect, from when Florida opened, especially in South Florida. Hospitals in some areas are stressed without a doubt but are still being able to handle it and not be overwehlmed. Other states that are about a week ahead or so like Texas and especially Arizona (hospitals were even more stressed there) are already seeing the flattening and some decline. Hope that is the case for Florida and there is not any strong indicators why it wouldn’t. Covid like illnesses admissions are already dropping statewide in Florida.

 

[Touchdown]

Flat is the wrong term, flat assumes you had some measures in place to make the chart look like a plateau, the term you are looking for is peak. We will see if we’re there yet. We are officially 2 weeks past the 4th of July and the stupidity people did that weekend, let’s see if America wised up after that (thank goodness our next holiday is still a month out.)

 

[ABQ]

We might be seeing the “flattening of the curve“ in effect, from when Florida opened, especially in South Florida. Hospitals in some areas are stressed without a doubt but are still being able to handle it and not be overwehlmed. Other states that are about a week ahead or so like Texas and especially Arizona (hospitals were even more stressed there) are already seeing the flattening and some decline. Hope that is the case for Florida and there is not any strong indicators why it wouldn’t. Covid like illnesses admissions are already dropping statewide in Florida.

Hoping that holds true in Arizona. They seem to have posted their lowest hospitalization totals since July 4th today, and as a close family member is one of them, I'm especially aware of how they are handling things. We in NM are taking in cases from AZ to help keep them afloat, but they do seem to be showing at least some signs of slowing down.

 

[Miss Bella]

Hoping that holds true in Arizona. They seem to have posted their lowest hospitalization totals since July 4th today, and as a close family member is one of them, I'm especially aware of how they are handling things. We in NM are taking in cases from AZ to help keep them afloat, but they do seem to be showing at least some signs of slowing down.

We haven’t had an issue with bed capacity just a staff shortage, but It still wasn’t that bad. I have no idea what goes on the east side of AZ. Things do seem to be leveling off though.

 

[Miss Bella]

The Critical Points: Travel shaming is here — and it's a problem - The Points Guy

TPG's Richard Kerr talks about a new trend of travel shaming.

thepointsguy.com

Good article about travel shaming. It seemed applicable to what goes on here.

 

[schuelma]

We might be seeing the “flattening of the curve“ in effect, from when Florida opened, especially in South Florida. Hospitals in some areas are stressed without a doubt but are still being able to handle it and not be overwehlmed. Other states that are about a week ahead or so like Texas and especially Arizona (hospitals were even more stressed there) are already seeing the flattening and some decline. Hope that is the case for Florida and there is not any strong indicators why it wouldn’t. Covid like illnesses admissions are already dropping statewide in Florida.

Nothing is flattening in FL, AZ, TX, or CA.

Things might be peaking. Not flattening.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

The Critical Points: Travel shaming is here — and it's a problem - The Points Guy

TPG's Richard Kerr talks about a new trend of travel shaming.

thepointsguy.com

Good article about travel shaming. It seemed applicable to what goes on here.

People need to make decisions for themselves. Honestly if everyone does the right things, wears the masks where they should, keep their hands clean, traveling can work. We now are debating a trip we have had on the books for a few months now to Arizona(the number USED to look good). My thinking is, we try to do our best to control what we can. If we plan to go somewhere and we get there and the conditions dont look right, like not enough space, too many people without masks we move on. The plane worries me the most as if people are not following protocols we can't just get up and leave.

 

[Jrb1979]

The Critical Points: Travel shaming is here — and it's a problem - The Points Guy

TPG's Richard Kerr talks about a new trend of travel shaming.

thepointsguy.com

Good article about travel shaming. It seemed applicable to what goes on here.

People shouldn't be traveling right now. There is a reason some states are putting in quarantine rules. Its to make people not travel. I look at where I live and they really want people to just travel within their own province.

 

[Miss Bella]

People shouldn't be traveling right now. There is a reason some states are putting in quarantine rules. Its to make people not travel. I look at where I live and they really want people to just travel within their own province.

We already know you’re a travel shamer. Did you read the part about not being able to change a strangers mind on social media? I think that was the biggest takeaway from this article. All this back and forth and you haven’t moved the needle at all.

 

[Miss Bella]

People need to make decisions for themselves. Honestly if everyone does the right things, wears the masks where they should, keep their hands clean, traveling can work. We now are debating a trip we have had on the books for a few months now to Arizona(the number USED to look good). My thinking is, we try to do our best to control what we can. If we plan to go somewhere and we get there and the conditions dont look right, like not enough space, too many people without masks we move on. The plane worries me the most as if people are not following protocols we can't just get up and leave.

Are you going to the Grand Canyon?

 

[legwand77]

People need to make decisions for themselves. Honestly if everyone does the right things, wears the masks where they should, keep their hands clean, traveling can work. We now are debating a trip we have had on the books for a few months now to Arizona(the number USED to look good). My thinking is, we try to do our best to control what we can. If we plan to go somewhere and we get there and the conditions dont look right, like not enough space, too many people without masks we move on. The plane worries me the most as if people are not following protocols we can't just get up and leave.

I have traveled on many flights over the past few months, if you stick with the major airlines, compliance is 100%, plus cabin air is filtered at pretty much hospital levels every few minutes.

Also i don't think anyone here is claiming to do any different, with regards to wearing masks, washing hands.

 

[legwand77]

We already know you’re a travel shamer. Did you read the part about not being able to change a strangers mind on social media? I think that was the biggest takeaway from this article. All this back and forth and you haven’t moved the needle at all.

at least he is finding things funny, so the poster is getting some entertainment out of it.

 

[donaldtoo]

People need to make decisions for themselves. Honestly if everyone does the right things, wears the masks where they should, keep their hands clean, traveling can work. We now are debating a trip we have had on the books for a few months now to Arizona(the number USED to look good). My thinking is, we try to do our best to control what we can. If we plan to go somewhere and we get there and the conditions dont look right, like not enough space, too many people without masks we move on. The plane worries me the most as if people are not following protocols we can't just get up and leave.

Yea, I wouldn’t fly right now if the airlines paid me.

 

[legwand77]

You can choose to view however you want, but here are the facts from Arizona today. All from the state dashboard.

Covid like ER admissions, might not be flat

Overall hospitalizations, pretty flat for the past three weeks

Graphs are roughly the same for TX as well.

 

[BrianLo]

You can choose to view however you want, but here are the facts from Arizona today. All from the state dashboard.


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Covid like ER admissions, might not be flat

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Overall hospitalizations, pretty flat for the past three weeks

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Graphs are roughly the same for TX as well.

You seem awfully intent on misconstruing the "flatten the curve policy" from just showing us the peak of an aggressive curve. That state has reached one of the highest daily per-capita rates of new cases... in the world...in the entirety of this Pandemic. Yes there is an upper limit. That doesn't actually mean the curve was flattened.

Deaths continue to escalate in a similar fashion in both of these states. Now conveniently no longer a statistic of interest. Please stop cherry picking metrics and present them all, or don't.

One or two metrics can always be spun as looking 'good' in the moment. By virtue they all ebb and flow and peak at different time points. But they all need to be simultaneously under control.

 

[legwand77]

You seem awfully intent on misconstruing the "flatten the curve policy" from just showing us the peak of an aggressive curve. That state has reached one of the highest daily per-capita rates of new cases... in the world...in the entirety of this Pandemic. Yes there is an upper limit. That doesn't actually mean the curve was flattened.

Deaths continue to escalate in a similar fashion in both of these states. Now conveniently no longer a statistic of interest. Please stop cherry picking metrics and present them all, or don't.

One or two metrics can always be spun as looking 'good' in the moment. By virtue they all ebb and flow and peak at different time points. But they all need to be simultaneously under control.

Not misconstruction anything. So if you think the fact hospitalizations staying flat and/or decreasing over the past few weeks is being spun "good"? If that is the case sounds like you don't think they are good going down, are you wanting them go up? I highly doubt that.

Funny accusing me a cherry picking data without looking at the whole picture, ok. Guess you haven't been following along. As far as deaths, and as others have been saying all along, deaths lag, and with the hopitializations and admissions flattening ....

 

[oceanbreeze77]

You seem awfully intent on misconstruing the "flatten the curve policy" from just showing us the peak of an aggressive curve.

the new spin has arrived.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Tightening up the gaps

 

[BrianLo]

Not misconstruction anything. So if you think the fact hospitalizations staying flat and/or decreasing over the past few weeks is being spun "good"? If that is the case sounds like you don't think they are good going down, are you wanting them go up? I highly doubt that.

Funny accusing me a cherry picking data without looking at the whole picture, ok. Guess you haven't been following along. As far as deaths, and as others have been saying all along, deaths lag, and with the hopitializations and admissions flattening ....

Good was in quotations because you are selecting data that is actually totally out of context and high to begin with. Those case counts for example are extremely high per capita.

Elective proceedures and admissions have again been delayed. It is of course good that total hospitalizations are under control though due to capacity stop gaps. But that does not make the entire situation good. COVID admissions are actively still preventing access to care.

The problem is they oversimplified this to the public like only one or two things matter. I want every single metric to be low AND stable or declining.

Low case numbers, low prevalence, low community transmission, low hospitalizations, low deaths. High number of testing. Solid contact tracing. High participation and buy in by the public and officials. All under high resumption of economic activity, critical infrastructure (school, health care) and reasonable public mobility without tanking those other metrics.

If you can demonstrate that a location is doing that - yes I will celebrate gladly. There are of course many great examples now outside the US.

Deaths have unnecessarily increased. There is nothing to celebrate when they peak. There is nothing to celebrate when they rise. There is almost nothing to really celebrate when they decline. Only when they stop.