peter11435
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To be fair the three hours is not entirely accurate since it took around 90 minutes before they made the decision to evacuate. Although that should certainly be evaluated.
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Disney Skyliner shutdown and evacuation - October 6 2019
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flynnibus
Premium Member
My electrical engineering studies say otherwise thank you very much.
Shade doesnt get eliminated when the shade was created by the materials to start with.
How many years of study in physics and thermo did you have? I had 3.5 full years.
zakattack99
Well-Known Member
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If this is true, that sounds like politics to me. Almost as if no one wanted to make that call and had to wait for the decision to get the blessing from higher up. Maybe I am wrong but seems like a long time to wait to make a decision on that. Personal opinion is that the crash was bad, the response was the real disaster.
From the NTSB web site:
The National Transportation Safety Board is an independent Federal agency charged by Congress with investigating every civil aviation accident in the United States and significant accidents in other modes of transportation – railroad, highway, marine and pipeline
Ski lifts are not on the list, and I don't think this would fit the definition of "significant" with no trauma injuries or fatalities.States with active ski industries generally have an agency that investigates lift accidents, but I don't know about Florida.
flynnibus
Premium Member
No, you are surrounded by reflective coating glass that is rejecting most of the suns energy. Hence the lay use of “shade” to describe it.
The_Jobu
Well-Known Member
They went as fast as they could. There was a lot of debate about whether or not they could throw together a watch the sweaty skyliner people cupcake viewing party.
Dead2009
Horror Movie Guru
Gloom and doom is the name of the game.
RustySpork
Oscar Mayer Memer
I'm not disagreeing with you here, but as you know, most ≠ all. My windows have reflective coating tint, probably around the same grade as the Skyliner and while it certainly reduces the heat..there is still heat. We would have to know the grade of the coating to know what percentage of the sun's energy is being rejected vs being absorbed or passed through. From the inside out the view doesn't appear as shaded as one would expect if it was a high-grade tint. It was so light in-fact that I originally questioned if it was coated at all.
No, cabins of all colors, wrapped and unwrapped, are used for WAV. They're identified by a plug on the carrier arm being moved so that it sticks out.
Bob Harlem
Well-Known Member
There is a post on another board from the folks who were in the cabin that was crushed between two others. Interesting enough to quote:
from "Diz Bee" on another board (search for the first 3 letters in Disney)
"Ok... soooo... this is my wife and I last night...
Let me start by saying this was our first time on the gondola. We had tacos and a bottle of Prosecco to celebrate our inaugural ride at the Caribbean Beach quick service. We got on at the skyliner at the Caribbean and were on our way to EPCOT. When we arrived at the Rivera we came to a stop. The system was down for a while... 5 to 10 minutes. While it was down our doors were open and a cast member was doing a Disney trivia game with each car. Then the system came back on line, our doors shut, and we moved forward... the blue car in front of us was NOT moving, so we crushed up into it and the car behind us crushed into us and the car behind that hit them and so on... you could hear the metal into metal scraping and the breaking of the plexiglass vents. The accident didn’t last long... but I remember sitting there and saying to my wife “I don’t think that was supposed to happen...” Security started going around asking if everyone was OK. A maintenance guy came over with a giant pole type tool, like a overgrown hanger pole they use at clothes stores to get up high. He did some jockeying of the blue car in front and we were freed up. The car swung around pretty hard and the noise was pretty harsh. My wife screamed. We noticed our doors were bent and weren’t shut all he way. There was definitely body damage to our car and several others, including broken vents. We were lucky that we were at the Rivera turnstile because our evacuation was swift! I don’t think we realized the extent of the accident until we saw pictures of our car on the news. So that being said the cars are pretty tough. I think it could of been worse, and we’re very lucky it wasn’t. Cast members were very calm and super nice. They offered us transportation, but we decided to walk back to our car. "
Followed up with
"I would like to add.. that the odds are so low that this would happen. I mean we can’t win the lottery! My wife and I have been talking about it all morning, it’s very bizarre. The weird thing is... is OUR car was the car that was crushed... the first car before the blue car that failed. Yet after they fixed the placements of the cars and we evacuated... no one from Disney approached us and all. Disney management doesn’t know we even exist... it kinda odd. Here we are watching videos from the local news and YouTube and we keep hearing “no one knows if the crushed cars had people inside”. Well we’re fine over here... thanks for asking!!!!
Even though we were in the accident, at least we weren’t stuck in the air! Hope everyone was ok!"
FWIW All the cars in that photo had people in them when it happened, and all got off there.
from "Diz Bee" on another board (search for the first 3 letters in Disney)
"Ok... soooo... this is my wife and I last night...
Let me start by saying this was our first time on the gondola. We had tacos and a bottle of Prosecco to celebrate our inaugural ride at the Caribbean Beach quick service. We got on at the skyliner at the Caribbean and were on our way to EPCOT. When we arrived at the Rivera we came to a stop. The system was down for a while... 5 to 10 minutes. While it was down our doors were open and a cast member was doing a Disney trivia game with each car. Then the system came back on line, our doors shut, and we moved forward... the blue car in front of us was NOT moving, so we crushed up into it and the car behind us crushed into us and the car behind that hit them and so on... you could hear the metal into metal scraping and the breaking of the plexiglass vents. The accident didn’t last long... but I remember sitting there and saying to my wife “I don’t think that was supposed to happen...” Security started going around asking if everyone was OK. A maintenance guy came over with a giant pole type tool, like a overgrown hanger pole they use at clothes stores to get up high. He did some jockeying of the blue car in front and we were freed up. The car swung around pretty hard and the noise was pretty harsh. My wife screamed. We noticed our doors were bent and weren’t shut all he way. There was definitely body damage to our car and several others, including broken vents. We were lucky that we were at the Rivera turnstile because our evacuation was swift! I don’t think we realized the extent of the accident until we saw pictures of our car on the news. So that being said the cars are pretty tough. I think it could of been worse, and we’re very lucky it wasn’t. Cast members were very calm and super nice. They offered us transportation, but we decided to walk back to our car. "
Followed up with
"I would like to add.. that the odds are so low that this would happen. I mean we can’t win the lottery! My wife and I have been talking about it all morning, it’s very bizarre. The weird thing is... is OUR car was the car that was crushed... the first car before the blue car that failed. Yet after they fixed the placements of the cars and we evacuated... no one from Disney approached us and all. Disney management doesn’t know we even exist... it kinda odd. Here we are watching videos from the local news and YouTube and we keep hearing “no one knows if the crushed cars had people inside”. Well we’re fine over here... thanks for asking!!!!
Even though we were in the accident, at least we weren’t stuck in the air! Hope everyone was ok!"
FWIW All the cars in that photo had people in them when it happened, and all got off there.
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The_Jobu
Well-Known Member
Because everyone was fine, I find the randomness of this quite hilarious.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Yeah but this is 2019... people cant even survive the surface of the planet anymore.
RustySpork
Oscar Mayer Memer
Don't you know how hot it is in Florida! People are constantly dying of heatstroke here, especially in December!
Does the boat have alligator radar equipped on it?
THEMEPARKPIONEER
Well-Known Member
And so it begins
Dizknee_Phreek
Well-Known Member
Heard a first hand account last night from a couple staying at Beach Club. They went to concierge to ask about something. While they were there a mom and her two young daughters came up. They had just gotten off the gondolas after being stuck for 3 hours. They had missed dinner and were starving. The Beach Club marketplace had literally just shut its doors, so the CM was basically like "sorry, we're closed", gave them a voucher for a taxi back to their resort (Pop) and sent them on their way. The guest/couple opened up the app and tried to find them open food options on property. I get that unfortunate accidents happen and it's just part of life (inside and outside of Disney). But this seemed like extremely minimal effort on the concierge's part. This doesn't seem like the level of customer service Disney has become known for over the years. Could they not have at the very least let them know room service hours, or even gave them some phone numbers of restaurants outside of property that might still be open? Instead this family just resolved themselves to eating a granola bar and going to bed on the last night of their vacation. It just seems to me that Disney could have put a little more effort into making sure this family's vacation didn't end on a sour note.
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It was mentioned that Law enforcement was present conducting interviews with cast members. It also seems reasonable Disney would need to self report this to a state agency and that someone from the state who oversees these type systems would probably need to be involved after an accident.
flynnibus
Premium Member
It is simply the “what about me?” Comparisons.
In the information age... people know what happens in a certain situation, then compare their situation to it, and expect a proportionate response.
Disney used to be famous for the level of care it would give its guests in restitution or trying to make a bad situation better. In the information age, those examples are out there... so now when ANYTHING happens... people think “well if they got that, i should get any least X because this is worse than that...” and the escalations continue... and the threshold lowers because people are simply selfish and there is always blame to go around these days....