Indeed. The undertaking was massive in Florida and was expected to roll out to Disneyland shortly thereafter. However the expected ROI did not appear anywhere close to what they expected, which largely halted the rollout of MM+/FP+ to other properties.
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Disney Genie/Genie+ On Their Way to Anaheim
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Indeed. The undertaking was massive in Florida and was expected to roll out to Disneyland shortly thereafter. However the expected ROI did not appear anywhere close to what they expected, which largely halted the rollout of MM+/FP+ to other properties.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Not sure why this needs to be brought up every couple of years, but MB or any form of it is not coming to DLR. This was confirmed by Iger and team years ago. While the basic readers for FP+ exist at DLR, the rest of the infrastructure does not. Plus it wouldn't be economical at this point since the only part of MM+ that exists at DLR was the FP part anyways. They don't have enough Disney owned rooms to justify the cost of upgrading the entire resort. When they implemented MaxPass that was the FP+ equivalent for DLR.
Also if Disney had planned to expand MM+ and MB beyond WDW they would have built it into SDLR, but they didn't. Which indicates they have no intention of expanding MM+ or MB.
If you want to think about it Genie/Genie+ is the next generation of MM+ for all Disney Parks. It can be quickly implemented through the various different Disney Park Apps around the globe.
I know some fans hate it, but the Disney Park Apps is where Disney will continue to be pushing more and more functionality. In 2021 where smartphones are given away with a new cell phone plan, there is no reason why at least one person in a party doesn't have one.
Also if Disney had planned to expand MM+ and MB beyond WDW they would have built it into SDLR, but they didn't. Which indicates they have no intention of expanding MM+ or MB.
If you want to think about it Genie/Genie+ is the next generation of MM+ for all Disney Parks. It can be quickly implemented through the various different Disney Park Apps around the globe.
I know some fans hate it, but the Disney Park Apps is where Disney will continue to be pushing more and more functionality. In 2021 where smartphones are given away with a new cell phone plan, there is no reason why at least one person in a party doesn't have one.
el_super
Well-Known Member
Yeah, but the media itself is just one part of the larger system. At WDW, the Magicbands/RFID were augmented with biometric fingerprint scanners that were able to confirm identity in order to grant admission. I'm not entirely sure on this, but those might not be allowed in California (or at least, the legal burden of maintaining them may be too high for Disney). So in California them implemented photo identification and if you are expecting each CM to check the guest versus their photo on record, scanning the barcode makes more sense. The CM has to physically scan the ticket and check the photo in order to grant admission.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
The biometrics debuted well before the RFID ticket media. Using RFID could still cause a photo to pop up just like scanning a barcode.
el_super
Well-Known Member
Yes the biometerics were around for awhile, that's true. For the RFID though, there's no benefit to having them, if you're still expecting the CM to visually confirm identity prior to granting entry. There's no real time savings in the transaction, there's no labor savings and there is no realized benefit.
TP2000
Well-Known Member
I'm trying to catch up on this thread before this latest thing goes live.
My only thought?....
Whatever happened to just building a really good ride that has really good hourly capacity, and then treating the CM's who operate and maintain it for the next 50 years well enough to ensure high hourly ridership?
See: It's A Small World, Pirates of the Caribbean, The Haunted Mansion, Carousel of Progress, Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, Spaceship Earth, etc., etc.
Running a theme park is not rocket science. But it seems like they want to add rocket science to it just to make it more complicated than it needs to be. Download the App and pray!
My only thought?....
Whatever happened to just building a really good ride that has really good hourly capacity, and then treating the CM's who operate and maintain it for the next 50 years well enough to ensure high hourly ridership?
See: It's A Small World, Pirates of the Caribbean, The Haunted Mansion, Carousel of Progress, Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, Spaceship Earth, etc., etc.
Running a theme park is not rocket science. But it seems like they want to add rocket science to it just to make it more complicated than it needs to be. Download the App and pray!
We need to do something new! ALL OPTIONS ARE ON THE TABLE!!!I'm trying to catch up on this thread before this latest thing goes live.
My only thought?....
Whatever happened to just building a really good ride that has really good hourly capacity, and then treating the CM's who operate and maintain it for the next 50 years well enough to ensure high hourly ridership?
See: It's A Small World, Pirates of the Caribbean, The Haunted Mansion, Carousel of Progress, Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, Spaceship Earth, etc., etc.
Running a theme park is not rocket science. But it seems like they want to add rocket science to it just to make it more complicated than it needs to be. Download the App and pray!
*****except that.
spaldingclan
Active Member
we went to wdw in june and really loved the magic bands
truecoat
Well-Known Member
They took out anything before episode 7 so it's not worth it anymore.
mickEblu
Well-Known Member
I’ll probably use the heck out of this at WDW but we don’t need this at DLR. Different Demographic. We just want to lightning lane the new popcorn bucket or seasonal snack. Not the crappy new shooter ride or RSR that’s almost 10 years old.
DrAlice
Well-Known Member
So, 6 of these do not have fastpass anymore, but now you have to pay for it of use standby? Or did some of these never have fastpass?
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truecoat
Well-Known Member
All 8 of these are pay to ride. Some of them had fastpass before and some had fastpass set up but never used it until now.
Not sure about Web Slingers but I expect a lot of people to buy ILLS/FPs for RSR given the regular high wait times for it.
mickEblu
Well-Known Member
Well which people. Locals/ key holders or people on vacation?
Definitely people on vacation. APs will likely purchase it less often.
SoCalDisneyLover
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They'll eventually make it an add on to the Keys. I'm guessing either $150 or $200.
They will only do that if Genie+ sales from APs aren’t what they want them to be, which may very well happen.
TP2000
Well-Known Member
Eh, I don't know about that.
I would have agreed with it if they had done this two years ago. But they really do seem serious about changing the rules and resetting expectations with 20 million fans in SoCal. They're serious, whether we like it or not.
I don't think they'll do an add on. But if they do, it won't be for some time (2023 or later) and it will be much higher than $200. $599? $799?
But if they do that at such a price point, they'll create the Karens From Hell at the City Hall desk when the Runaway Railway ride breaks down for four hours two weeks after it opens (anyone remember how often Racers broke down constantly for the first year or three?)
I've been surprised at how serious they are with these new programs, really bold stuff that is truly resetting expectations. I don't think they're ready to cave just yet with small ball add-ons for only $200.
SoCalDisneyLover
Well-Known Member
It will be exactly like the whole ticket situation when the parks re-opened. People will pay once or twice, like they did with regular priced tickets, but then they'll realize how much it's costing, and will forego using Lightning Lane. Since Disney is all about money, they'll do the math on how making $150-$200 in a single shot, is better than having someone pay $20 over 2 or 3 visits.