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The problem with being GREEDY is, It's Never Enough.
It happened regularly especially with high demand attractions and peak times. You notice it more with G+ because you’re not selecting from all available times. Everyone is competing for the same next available time.That wasn't my experience with FP+. Maybe times didn't just cycle through as fast, I don't know. You were presented with multiple times, you could refresh, and then if you selected one of the times you always seem to be given that slot. It's like they were holding the times for you for a short amount of time. Playing with G+ A little bit and hearing others experience, it seems that a large percentage of the time if you click on attraction off of the tip board, you end up presented with a different time.
The problem with being GREEDY is, It's Never Enough.
That may very well be the case, and I have no reason to doubt you. But it's a lot more noticable now, and the result is a more frustrating user experience. You are scrolling through looking for times, you think you find something good, you click on it and it's gone. And it happens a lot.It happened regularly especially with high demand attractions and peak times. You notice it more with G+ because you’re not selecting from available all times. Everyone is competing for the same next available time.
You are scrolling through looking for times, you think you find something good, you click on it and it's gone. And it happens a lot.
Ride | Price | Current Wait | Price per minute (lower is better value) |
7D | $10 | 50 | $0.20 |
Space | $7 | 20 | $0.35 |
Frozen | $9 | 60 | $0.15 |
Rat | $9 | ~45min if in VQ | $0.20 |
RotR | $15 (sold out) | 105 | $0.14 |
MMRR | $8 | 50 | $0.16 |
Everest | $7 | 15 | $0.47 |
FOP | $11 | 85 | $0.13 |
10:30am on a Monday: ILL with standby waits
Ride Price Current Wait Price per minute (lower is better value) 7D $10 50 $0.20 Space $7 20 $0.35 Frozen $9 60 $0.15 Rat $9 ~45min if in VQ $0.20 RotR $15 (sold out) 105 $0.14 MMRR $8 50 $0.16 Everest $7 15 $0.47 FOP $11 85 $0.13
Ride | Price | Current Wait | Would I pay the ILL fee? |
7D | $10 | 50 | Yes |
Space | $7 | 20 | No |
Frozen | $9 | 60 | Yes |
Rat | $9 | ~45min if in VQ | Yes |
RotR | $15 (sold out) | 105 | YES |
MMRR | $8 | 50 | Yes |
Everest | $7 | 15 | No |
FOP | $11 | 85 | Yes |
The comparison between Universal and WDW is largely beside the point. Yes, Universal's pass sounds like a fabulous deal, and certainly better value for the consumer than Disney's new system. But it's only attractive as a meaningful alternative if you actually want to experience Universal. Not all of us do.
X 2 is if you get 1 night in a hotel, you get express pass included for 2 days, your arrival day AND your departure dayI was at Universal for 2 days, with a 3 day gap in between. The $170 Express Pass cost was for a Sunday, the Thursday pass was $150. There was just one of me so I don't know where the "x 2" part comes from.
I meant that the comparison only matters to a point and to certain people. If I'm after a particular product and willing to pay for, I don't gain much in practical terms by comparing it to the pricing of rival products that don't interest me. My comment was, in any case, directed more at the poster who was trying to demonstrate that Universal's system isn't a better value than Disney's. I actually think it is better value objectively speaking, but that doesn't make it better value once an individual's subjective tastes are factored in.The comparison is to see what the norm is...the leader in this type of product...(paid skipping line) is not disney. If you never want to go to uni that is fine BUT the comparison is to show you what the gold standard of paid line skipping is. Disney is walking this wierd middle ground where it is far cheaper but has all these caveats. Ones easier to swallow when it was free. Express is alot of money but its also simple. Ride anything you want that has the que as many times as you want (unlimited) Disney's product isn't competing....thats the thing...the big elephant to me is that they are just monotizing something that used to be free and already exsists. There not charging me for some better product.
Are these posted wait times or ACTUAL wait times. Many bloggers have been testing the posted wait times and most are actually much shorter than posted.10:30am on a Monday: ILL with standby waits
Ride Price Current Wait Price per minute (lower is better value) 7D $10 50 $0.20 Space $7 20 $0.35 Frozen $9 60 $0.15 Rat $9 ~45min if in VQ $0.20 RotR $15 (sold out) 105 $0.14 MMRR $8 50 $0.16 Everest $7 15 $0.47 FOP $11 85 $0.13
I was going to reply way earlier in this thread to your post about guest recovery...but then resisted...Honestly, I think being nice and having a positive attitude works wonders at Disney. It’s also good for one’s mental health.
Post wait times. I'm sure Touring Plans could post more accurate $/min values, but I was just going based on MDE, which I guess most guests would use.Are these posted wait times or ACTUAL wait times. Many bloggers have been testing the posted wait times and most are actually much shorter than posted.
God if those are rush jobs Disney is doomedIf Disney disagreed they wouldn’t have panicked and rushed to add TRON and Ratatouille.
The red cards were replaced by a variety of sensors and counters that are typically located overhead. The systems can see how many people are in a queue and how long it is taking for MagicBands to get through.So with reports of actual wait times being shorter than posted wait times, do we know if red cards are being used again? If they are, that’s good, and the discrepancy between actual and posted wait time just needs some tweaking. If not, well, then the somewhat-obvious conclusion that many will draw is wait times are being manipulated, intentionally or not, and consumers are thus being “encouraged” to purchase an ILL. I’m honestly trying to give some benefit of the doubt here, but that is becoming more and more difficult to do with each money-making effort that Di$ney unveils.
Then there's no reason for the inflated waits we've been seeing reported.The red cards were replaced by a variety of sensors and counters that are typically located overhead. The systems can see how many people are in a queue and how long it is taking for MagicBands to get through.
Again you arent seeing a BUSY park day. Until we start seeing 8,9,10 crowd levels its a bit of a joke to test this. Yes it needs to be done and Thank God they didnt start it during the Holiday rushes, but until its going under those loads, which in Summer it will be for days, thats when we will see at least to me if its worth it or not. I am still scared to death this Genie+ nonsense is going to implode the first time we get to a High Crowd day, and I dont want to ruin my wife's birthday with it over Thanksgiving.Are these posted wait times or ACTUAL wait times. Many bloggers have been testing the posted wait times and most are actually much shorter than posted.
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