WDW hasn't (really) been open that late in several years. I think the only exceptions in all of 2019 were: March 13 and April 17+24 (EMH went until 1am), July 3+4 (1am), November 27 (EMH until 1am), and NYE (open until 1am). There were none of the crazy late nights like they used to do in years past.In case you were not aware, people do vacation differently......I did that when my kids were little, now they are teenagers and they dont wake up until 10am-11am.......We are at parks until 1am while you've probably been asleep for 3 hours and i cant figure out why you would do that.....
Point is, the system penalizes you....
Please dont argue about how people vacation, that is boring and stupid and happens way too much here....
FP+ and DDP changed over time. It seems likely WDW will also modify this new system over time.
For now, none of us have actually used the new system, and WDW has already made a few clarifications on how they plan to implement this.
When DDP was new, TS meals included gratuities, then it didn't include gratuities. Most years it did no include alcohol, but then it did.
When FP+ was new, it was rather restrictive. FP were hard to modify, and there was a hard limit of 3. Later WDW added users to book a 4th FP, and over time booking that 4th FP got easier (more MDE). Over time it also got easier to modify all FP.
I imagine Genie+ will also be modified over time, and WDW visitors will become more educated in what works best for them, and/or how they are willing to modify their behavior to make better use of the system.
That's why so many dislike the parties and after hours events. The parks used to stay open much later - especially MK, and we don't get to enjoy those late hours anymore.WDW hasn't (really) been open that late in several years. I think the only exceptions in all of 2019 were: March 13 and April 17+24 (EMH went until 1am), July 3+4 (1am), November 27 (EMH until 1am), and NYE (open until 1am). There were none of the crazy late nights like they used to do in years past.
The rest of December 2019 MK closed by 10pm except it was open until 11pm (2nights) and midnight (10nights, mostly Christmas week). The other parks were all closed before midnight (mostly by 10pm) except 12/31/19.
In November 2019, all the parks were closed by 10pm all month except MK had 5 closings at 11pm, and one EMH until midnight.
July 2019, MK closed at 10pm, except 4 EMH's that went until midnight. The rest of the parks all closed earlier, mostly by 10pm.
MK was open until midnight Easter week, the rest of the month, it mostly closed at 10pm/11pm weekends.
In March of 2019, there was only 1 night EMH went past midnight. Every night of April/March 2019 the rest of the parks closed well before midnight: HS=8:30pm, AK = 9:30pm, Epcot 9pm + just 2 night of PM EMH until 11pm.
July 2019, MK had 5 EMH's that went until midnight, but the rest of the month is closed at 10pm
Personally, I try to use all the peripheral park hours as much as possible, both AM and PM. For a number of years, that meant we only got about 5 hours of sleep, but WDW has made it much easier in recent years. We felt cheated in the summer of 2019, because the parks all closed by 10pm the week we visited.
But… that’s kinda misleading. Obviously we can’t look at current park hours because things have not yet returned to normal. But there were certainly many days pre-Covid that the parks including the Magic Kingdom were open late. If you go back and look at historic park hours before parties or after hours events existed there were still days that the magic kingdom closed at 6 or 7 PM.That's why so many dislike the parties and after hours events. The parks used to stay open much later - especially MK, and we don't get to enjoy those late hours anymore.
I’ll believe that when I see it. Not holding my breath.This is probably why they are getting a lot stricter about DAS.
I’ve looked into this, and this is NOT correct.My understanding is that if you do 2 ahead of time, those are the only ones you get those days. You cannot go the rides and register for more.
Alternatively, you can use it the way it currently is, going to rides and getting a return time based on the standby wait and only 1 at a time. As an aside, that’s another argument for Disney to inflate wait times to make lying for a DAS less “valuable”
What was their takeNot sure if a link is allowed, but they are discussing Genie on today's Dis Unplugged. A couple of their team members were given an opportunity to try it out last week.
Disney buying good PR.Not sure if a link is allowed, but they are discussing Genie on today's Dis Unplugged. A couple of their team members were given an opportunity to try it out last week.
What was their take
Them not having to pay for it I’m sure makes it better though
Disney buying good PR.
I’ll stick with Len and his independent, non biased analysis and real time wait times and I will continue to help by posting my real time wait times whenever I am there.Overall, the discussion was not very positive. They tried to focus on the facts when it came to how the different features worked. One thing they also noted was that it took features from Touring Plans with a "sprinkle" of Lou Mongello's old audio tours.
There's not enough left that can physically accommodate a second return line. They pushed that envelope during FP+ and already know what can handle it and what can't.Line shortening options remind me of that Gilbert & Sullivan line: "If everybody's somebody, that no one's any body."
$15 a day per person will sound reasonable to most Disney World guests,
just as paying for parking, Magic Bands, and airport transportation fees are reasonable. But
at $15, the demand for some Lightning Lane attractions will be so high that Disney will be "forced" to add more attractions to the individual upcharge list and/or charge more for Lightning Lane. You'll see.
Hopefully the same thing that stopped people from claiming disability access during fastpass+.So now that we know all the details of genie plus, what’s going to stop people from claiming disability to essentially get the service for free?
Outdoor ride queues could be converted easily. I don’t think it would be too difficult to add lightning lanes to PeopleMover, Astro Orbiter, Carousel of Progress, Tiki Room (just make one of the rows the lightning lane), triceratops spin.There's not enough left that can physically accommodate a second return line. They pushed that envelope during FP+ and already know what can handle it and what can't.
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