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Disney Genie, Genie+ officially introduced along with confirmed details of how it will work

crazy4disney

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
But on those 90-120 minute wait days you are still DOUBLING your rides, and can avoid the painful, hot waits like Splash. It's all relative. In the WDW of today, 3 more E TIcket rides during a day is a MASSIVE improvement. It's sad, but that's the cluster Disney has becom.

And Disney Moderates are insanely overpriced, as are "value".
Im paying $130 a night in August & paid i believe $180 last November for Value. Not sure how that is insane to stay on property. Again when FP+ was around i would use that more than DAS. Yes obviously im getting in more rides with the ability to get a few DAS rides but im sorry My trip is NOT massively better because i have DAS. Just not a true or factual statement.
 

natatomic

Well-Known Member
Im paying $130 a night in August & paid i believe $180 last November for Value. Not sure how that is insane to stay on property. Again when FP+ was around i would use that more than DAS. Yes obviously im getting in more rides with the ability to get a few DAS rides but im sorry My trip is NOT massively better because i have DAS. Just not a true or factual statement.
Im a local who has done multiple visits as a non-DAS user, and many with an out-of-state AP holder who IS a DAS user.

I can say from first hand experience that the two cannot be compared, and yes, the DAS is a massive benefit. Once they monetized FP (via genie+), that really pushed it over the edge. I can’t afford $60 per visit for my family every single day to MAYBE get 2-3 lightning lanes (yeah, sorry, I’m one of those cheap locals Disney can’t wait to be rid of). So I don’t buy it and we’ll pretty much never see the inside of a lightning lane again when it’s just us. But when my friend comes down with her DAS, we do 2-4x the number of rides with her pass, and we do it without spending extra money. More rides AND free? Yes, huge benefit.
 

Rich Brownn

Well-Known Member
honest question... you rather wait in hour long lines as opposed to planning your day prior to your trip at your own convenience in the comfort of your own home? Because to me that is NOT a fun way to spend a vacation. Because we all know standby waits are going nowhere even w NO skip the line system &* yes I watched Defunctland's doc on FP etc... if anyone truly believes wait times are going away with the current park capacity/hours etc vs how many people actually visit i dont know what to say
Those people are a one-and-done and won't ever be back. I know a few of them.
 

nickys

Premium Member
I don't know of any park that let you get 3 headliners with FP+. Maybe 2 if you were at MK, but only one "Tier 1" ride at the other 3.
Unless you think that MK only has two headliners it was possible to get 3 of them in advance, since there were no tiers.
Space, Splash, Big Thunder, HM, 7dmt …..
I mean, now, DAS works on rides that normal folks PAY to ride. So DAS has actual real world value. Pretty substantial for a group of 8 using it for a ride that costs $15 per person. You could theoretically get $400+ in free ILLs EVERY DAY now.
All the ILL rides now also have a free way to ride. But as far as I know the DAS does not enable you to skip paying for an ILL if the only other option is a VQ.

So if you fail to get a VQ for Cosmic Rewind, I don’t think you can use a DAS to ride it unless everyone buys an ILL.
 

Thepuma

Well-Known Member
Again ill beat a dead horse i truly dont understand how people felt FP+ didnt work... now granted certain users got more out of it than others but you can say that about anything in life let alone a disney vacation.
FP+ worked, it worked amazingly - BUT, it took a bit common sense and a bit of planning and unfortunately people these days want everything on a plate and can't be bothered, then complain when their lack of effort or common sense means they lose out.

Id go as far as saying 90% of FP+ users were happy with the service...id also go as far as saying only 10% of users are happy with Genie+.
 
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Thepuma

Well-Known Member
For my family it didn't work well and neither does Genie+. I hate return times and the amount of planning FP+ required was a turn off. I personally see no reason other then hurting VIP sales that an express pass type system wouldn't work. Make it once per ride and limit sales.
That just doesn't make sense though- it takes exactly the same amount of effort and time...its just you could plan in the comfort of your home with FP+ meaning the day of the park visit you already had a big chunk of you day organised.

With G+ it's exactly the same amount of time and effort, but all done in a mad rush on the day, while your getting up, or ordering an uber to the park or having breakfast.....its awful, and in no way a better system. Let's be honest, it's an infinitely worse product to use...and even worse you have to pay more for it!!
 

Thepuma

Well-Known Member
There were a lot of folks who mastered FP+.
There were a lot of folks who never got the hang of FP+, didn't like it for whatever reason.
There are a lot of folks who now dislike Genie +
There are folks who have success in Genie "stacking" Lighting Lanes.

There will never be a system that everyone will like, and we have no choice really, Disney will do what they will do. We just have to learn the "rules du jour"

And yes, there will be tweaks and changes, especially the prices :)
Again this makes no sense...how can people find FP+ too difficult and hard to get the hang of, yet are fine with a far far far more complex system with Genie..Genie+...Paid LL+...different times for resort and non resort etc etc etc.

FP+ was way way easier to use than G+
 

Thepuma

Well-Known Member
I understand that point of view. For my family we don't get the whole spreadsheet planning thing that many do for Disney.

I will give you an example of how my family vacations. Last time we went to Orlando we didn't do Disney, just SeaWorld and Busch Gardens. The only planning we did was our flights, hotel and car. That's pretty much how all our vacations go. We do enough planning in our day to day life that it's the last thing we want to do in vacation.
Spreadsheet planning?

It took about 2 minutes to book 3 FP+ 4 weeks before your day...end of, nothing more to do. I just don't get how people are saying it was so time consuming or took more planning...it nonsense.
 

bhg469

Well-Known Member
Im a local who has done multiple visits as a non-DAS user, and many with an out-of-state AP holder who IS a DAS user.

I can say from first hand experience that the two cannot be compared, and yes, the DAS is a massive benefit. Once they monetized FP (via genie+), that really pushed it over the edge. I can’t afford $60 per visit for my family every single day to MAYBE get 2-3 lightning lanes (yeah, sorry, I’m one of those cheap locals Disney can’t wait to be rid of). So I don’t buy it and we’ll pretty much never see the inside of a lightning lane again when it’s just us. But when my friend comes down with her DAS, we do 2-4x the number of rides with her pass, and we do it without spending extra money. More rides AND free? Yes, huge benefit.
I'm a local now too... Got our passes in September and you're spot on.
 

crazy4disney

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
I'm a local now too... Got our passes in September and you're spot on.
Im not denying DAS helps..... my argument was the word Massive which is debatable but more the fact that My opinion doesnt hold much water anymore regarding my love & comments of FP because of the fact i have DAS as well.... FYI i didnt always have DAS when FP was around either way yes it helps but when FP+ was around i was able to do just fine and my trips would have not been drastically worse w/o DAS.
 

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
Again this makes no sense...how can people find FP+ too difficult and hard to get the hang of, yet are fine with a far far far more complex system with Genie..Genie+...Paid LL+...different times for resort and non resort etc etc etc.

FP+ was way way easier to use than G+
You are free to focus on which system was better.
Horizons was one of my favorite attractions but its long gone.

My point was Disney is going to do what Disney is going to do, we must just deal with it. Nothing we say here will make any difference.

And Disney will change this system at a drop of a hat too. They have learned they can instantly change stuff, it does not matter, folks will still mob the parks anyway.
 

bhg469

Well-Known Member
Im not denying DAS helps..... my argument was the word Massive which is debatable but more the fact that My opinion doesnt hold much water anymore regarding my love & comments of FP because of the fact i have DAS as well.... FYI i didnt always have DAS when FP was around either way yes it helps but when FP+ was around i was able to do just fine and my trips would have not been drastically worse w/o DAS.
I don't disagree that you probably could have had a comparable trip when FP+ was around. Now however? The system is definitely working against most guests, especially locals.. I don't know if its staffing or what but we find ourselves making a trip to do 2 rides at most.. We are just up Osceola a little bit so we can make multiple trips but we simply cannot afford to add lightning lane to our visits when we already spent so much on annual passes.
 

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
Not trying to defend the horrible Park Pass system but, this isn't true, right? You can look at the Park Pass availability calendar anytime. So you could look at your dates before committing to buying tickets.

Yes, you can look at the calendar. THEN you purchase a ticket. THEN you go back to (try) to make a park pass reservation for the park you want to go to.

This is counter intuitive to me at least.

I am sure it has happened where folks look at the calendar, then purchase a ticket, then go back to the calendar and the park they wanted to visit is full.

If I were to design the system, at the time of purchase, just before you click the complete purchase, you select the park you want to go to; if multi day, you must select each day.

If the purchase does not go through, the park pass reservations are voided.

In the end, it doesn't matter, Disney is gonna do what Disney is going to do.
 

Kingoglow

Well-Known Member
I had to explain to a friend (first time visitor to WDW) about park pass reservations and how you had to buy the ticket first and hope there is a reservation available for the park you want to go to.

I relate it to airline tickets. I have days that I want to travel, then I start shopping around different airline sites, looking at prices and flight times, in order to narrow in on the exact depart/return days, flight times and connections. Then I verify with my spouse that the days will work for all of us. Then I go back and buy the tickets.

Park passes is easier than that. Genie+ isn't though.
 

Kingoglow

Well-Known Member
And when you go to buy tickets, you are explicitly and clearly told to check park pass availability before purchasing:

Yes, yes... and we all read the T's & C's before hitting accept. Of course we do....
You can't believe that first time guests are clicking through and reading what all that is saying. I think most of us can speak from experience that navigating through that menu is a confusing user experience.
 

Jrb1979

Well-Known Member
Spreadsheet planning?

It took about 2 minutes to book 3 FP+ 4 weeks before your day...end of, nothing more to do. I just don't get how people are saying it was so time consuming or took more planning...it nonsense.
For my family it's not the way we tour parks. It wasn't just FP+ on its own, it was also pre-planning your meals and no adding reserving your park. Too much planning for how we tour parks. I know Universal isn't everyone's cup of tea but you have to admit it's much more laid back to visit then Disney is.

I also said Genie+ is garbage too. All it did was move FP+ from pre-planning to day of planning. I have always loved Express pass. Just about every other park uses that same system. No planning when you ride things.
 

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
I relate it to airline tickets. I have days that I want to travel, then I start shopping around different airline sites, looking at prices and flight times, in order to narrow in on the exact depart/return days, flight times and connections. Then I verify with my spouse that the days will work for all of us. Then I go back and buy the tickets.

Park passes is easier than that. Genie+ isn't though.
I am sure it happed for some folks, after discussing with their spouse then they go back into the system to buy the tickets, the seats are gone..
 

Patcheslee

Well-Known Member
Spreadsheet planning?

It took about 2 minutes to book 3 FP+ 4 weeks before your day...end of, nothing more to do. I just don't get how people are saying it was so time consuming or took more planning...it nonsense.
I'll say for us it was a combination of syncing TS, FP+ we wanted to the same park, and avoiding early entry parks. Hard to get TS or FP+ meant about an hour of playing "which park" to increase the odds of getting the TS and FP+. All that was done prior to 180 days. Book TS, then adjust FP+ general plan so we weren't zig zagging in the park. But I'm a person that enjoys the planning. People who didn't want to plan could have a TA do it for them.
 

dmw

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
I relate it to airline tickets. I have days that I want to travel, then I start shopping around different airline sites, looking at prices and flight times, in order to narrow in on the exact depart/return days, flight times and connections. Then I verify with my spouse that the days will work for all of us. Then I go back and buy the tickets.

Park passes is easier than that. Genie+ isn't though.
I relate it to buying tickets to an MLB game, and buying parking tickets. This is done on the Ticketmaster site, linked from MLB.com. You first select the game tickets and seats. Next screen is an option to purchase parking ticket. If no parking is available, you have the option to continue with tickets only, or cancel altogether. Disney could modify their system to something like this, especially for guests booking rooms and tickets together.

Or, make it even simpler, like Dollywood did last year when they required park passes. Anyone staying on site automatically gets park passes for the length of stay. For WDW, just make it a generic park pass for any of the parks. I'm sure Disney has stats on what percentage of on-site guests visit each park on a given day and can easily use that for staffing plans.
 

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