Disney Genie, Genie+ officially introduced along with confirmed details of how it will work

Purduevian

Well-Known Member
Wow, you showed him! :rolleyes:
I have fun poking at Jeff a little bit. Him and I have gone back and forth a few times in this thread. I respect his position that he hates the new system, but I respectfully disagree with some of the statements he makes. It's all in good fun and the sake of discussion. The meat of my post was the issue him (or anyone else) the challenge that I quoted from myself to find a day in which all the good attractions are sold out for the day on G+ after 4 hours and 15 minutes of park opening.

Good rides are hard to define, so people can disagree with me if they want... but my personal list would be:
MK: JC, Pirates, Thunder, Splash, HM, Pan, and Space
EPCOT: Soarin, Land, SSE, Mission Space, TT, Frozen
DHS: SDD, MMRR, MFSR, RnRC, SDD, ToT, TSM
AK: Everest, Dinosaur, Safaris, FotLK, Navi

EDIT: Also I have terrible grammar/ spelling so I really don't care. Just having a quick poke.
 
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ChrisM

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As an aside to the bickering...

Extremely small sample size (as it was only two days), but I was very surprised at how short the LL waits were once entering the queues.

FoP, RotR, SDD, and MFSR were effectively walk-ons.
KS was less than a 2 minute wait.
TSMM was < 5 minutes.
Star Tours was the longest - maybe 10 minutes, but I think they had just gone down to half capacity when we used it.

Muppets and Tough To Be A Bug were both "instant book and use" and we walked into the next shows - doubt either were necessary to get into the next show.

If this is (even somewhat) the norm, it would seem Disney is throttling back LL availability so as to ensure as little of a wait as possible. I could see that definitely being a preferred strategy for ILL attractions but was genuinely surprised to see it with the most in-demand G+ attractions (like SDD).

Curious to see if Disney might start increasing the pool of LL slots over time - or maybe my experience was an anomaly.
 

Jeff4272

Well-Known Member
I have fun poking at Jeff a little bit. Him and I have gone back and forth a few times in this thread. I respect his position that he hates the new system, but I respectfully disagree with some of the statements he makes. It's all in good fun and the sake of discussion. The meat of my post was the issue him (or anyone else) the challenge that I quoted from myself to find a day in which all the good attractions are sold out for the day on G+ after 4 hours and 15 minutes of park opening.

Good rides are hard to define, so people can disagree with me if they want... but my person list would be:
MK: JC, Pirates, Thunder, Splash, HM, Pan, and Space
EPCOT: Soarin, Land, SSE, Mission Space, TT, Frozen
DHS: SDD, MMRR, MFSR, RnRC, SDD, ToT, TSM
AK: Everest, Dinosaur, Safaris, FotLK, Navi

EDIT: Also I have terrible grammar/ spelling so I really don't care. Just having a quick poke.
I like the digs every now and then......I mentioned in an earlier post, it gets the conversations going and to be honest, i actually agree with SOME things you say

The problem is, theres so many hoops to jump thru to even try and get 3 good Genie (-) selections that its not worth it.......

on the busy days, I honestly dont think theres any chance to get 3 (except for MK)

I just really despise Genie (-) (i know not saying anything new) because it ruined WDW for us and we loved it there
 

Naplesgolfer

Well-Known Member
As an aside to the bickering...

Extremely small sample size (as it was only two days), but I was very surprised at how short the LL waits were once entering the queues.

FoP, RotR, SDD, and MFSR were effectively walk-ons.
KS was less than a 2 minute wait.
TSMM was < 5 minutes.
Star Tours was the longest - maybe 10 minutes, but I think they had just gone down to half capacity when we used it.

Muppets and Tough To Be A Bug were both "instant book and use" and we walked into the next shows - doubt either were necessary to get into the next show.

If this is (even somewhat) the norm, it would seem Disney is throttling back LL availability so as to ensure as little of a wait as possible. I could see that definitely being a preferred strategy for ILL attractions but was genuinely surprised to see it with the most in-demand G+ attractions (like SDD).

Curious to see if Disney might start increasing the pool of LL slots over time - or maybe my experience was an anomaly.
In theory the waits should be similar to Fatpass+. I assume the pool for ILL and LL in total to be the same as Fastpass.
 

MickeyLuv'r

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there wasnt a whole lot of "secret planning" tools to FP+....you woke up once, booked what you wanted and that was it
There was a little. At least towards the end of FP+.

Early FP+ was 3FP, and that was it. There was also almost no opportunity to modify passes in the early days. If you wanted to modify a pass, you had to stand in a 30minute in-park kiosk line, and accept the crummy leftover passes. So if you wanted to modify a Mountain pass, you probably wait 30min to get nothing more exciting than like a Dumbo FP+. In other words, a net loss, since the Dumbo queue is usually under 30min long. If you didn't book online in advance, you were mostly shut out. in the early days, just knowing to book Fast Passes was an insider secret. The kiosk lines were LONG!


Over time though...it became easier to modify Fast Passes, and that changed the options of how they could be used, if someone was willing to gamble. One of the later tricks was to not book 3 advance passes. Park goers pre-booked+ use 1 pass (maybe 2), then as soon as they'd used it, they were able to book their next pass. In so doing, they were able to have more than 1 pass per hour.

You could also use your 1st pass, then refresh to see about moving your 2nd and 3rd passes to earlier times. A crapshoot, but some folks said it worked for them.

So there were a few people discovered as FP+ evolved.
 

MickeyLuv'r

Well-Known Member
I think they meant in advance.
No, day of. In MK, there is decent pool of pass options, in HS and Epcot (at present), not so much.

A Muppets pass is literally useless. With no pass at all- even in the middle of the day during spring break you WILL get into the next show. If you use a G+ pass, you do not get any better seating or anything at all. You wind up in the same general admission pool as everyone else.

Up until the very recent announcement, character greet passes were also completely useless. Even on busy weeks, character lines were almost nothing, in large part because there weren't any traditional character greets. Visitors were only able to smile and wave from a distance, so the greets took far less time than pre-pandemic.

So HS ride options are: Slinky- gone in seconds, MF:SR - gone quickly, Ailen Swirling saucers, MMRR, Muppets, RNRC, Star Tours - nearly useless, TSM!, ToT - gone quickly. If you don't get one of the primo passes at 7am, there isn't much to get. Tier 2 is: Aliens, MMRR, and RNRC.

As I type at 2pm, the only G+ passes in HS- at all- are Frozen sing along (useless), Muppets (useless), and Star Tours (20min standby, so nearly useless). EVERYTHING else is gone for the day. I doubt Star Tours even has a 20min wait.

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Epcot is also in the same range, the only worthwhile G+ passes are FEA, and Test Track. (And of those two, Test Track is only minimally useful because it has single rider. SR is almost always much faster than using a G+ pass.) Soarin' is worth riding, but a G+ pass is useless, because the G+ wait and the standby wait are nearly identical.

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AK currently has: EE, Safari, Dino (nearly useless), Kali (out for day), and Na'vi (out for day). The shows are great, but passes for them are pretty much useless- same as Muppets. Of the G+ offered, only 3-4 are worthwhile: EE, Safari, Kali, and Na'vi. EE is only minimally useful though because it has single rider, and that is almost always just as quick. IMO, Na'vi is kinda lame; I'll happily skip it if I have to wait more than 5minutes. Kali is okay on a hot day. (Oh, and during a storm, EE, Kali, and the safari all stop running, so AK has a problem in the summer months.)


So part of the problem is that the parks all need more worthwhile passes to get. HS is especially not well set up for G+. By the time you become eligible to choose your 3rd G+ pass, the options are pretty much gone unless it is a slow day or you plan to hop.

Currently, one of the better strategies is to hop to MK at 2pm if you want to be able to use more G+ passes/day.
 

MickeyLuv'r

Well-Known Member
Good rides are hard to define, so people can disagree with me if they want... but my personal list would be:
MK: JC, Pirates, Thunder, Splash, HM, Pan, and Space
EPCOT: Soarin, Land, SSE, Mission Space, TT, Frozen
DHS: SDD, MMRR, MFSR, RnRC, SDD, ToT, TSM
AK: Everest, Dinosaur, Safaris, FotLK, Navi

EDIT: Also I have terrible grammar/ spelling so I really don't care. Just having a quick poke.
You list SDD twice for HS. i mention that not to pick on your grammar, but that = a list of 5. not 6. Of those 5, 2 are gone is less than 10 seconds.
If you don't get one of them, That only leaves 3 passes: MMRR, MFSR, RnRC, and ToT.
With ToT only operating in a limited fashion, it currently sells out pretty quickly.

I got screwed because the system locked up on me at 7am. I logged in at the exact correct time. we had 3 phones going, with one set to show official NIST time.

I got 1.) MF:SR, and 2.) TSM. By the time I was eligible for pass #3, Aliens was my only real-ish option. I think Aliens standby was posted at 35min when I used the pass, so it did save some time. MMRR and ToT were already long gone for the day. I could have gotten a late PM RnRC, but I had already ridden it standby (SR).

The second phone was used to get Rise. We were initially offered what appeared to be 11am, but when we clicked to buy the available times suddenly became 3:30pm and later. You have like 1minute to click BUY! or lose the option entirely, so we did.

I did actually get a few teasers after that, at 7:04am it momentarily LOOKED like a Slinky pass was available, but as soon as I clicked on it (instantly), it disappeared. The grey "Not Currently Offered" box popped up instead. That's frustrating; it feels like getting the middle finger from G+.

On top of that, I talked to a cast member at the hotel, but she wasn't able to do anything. It was just a waste of time. I mean, that was just past 7am, and the park opened at 7:30am. So any attempt to do anything, just = more losing out.

I didn't even try AK, because I saw in advance that the park opened for Early Entry at 7am. more or less, you were either getting G+, or EE, but not both. And that's GETTING TO THE PARK for 7am.

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A much better use of G+ was at MK. We went to Universal most of the day, but I booked PM G+ for MK.

One other difference I notice was that with FP+, it was easy to memorize your 3 FP times. With G+, you have to keep track of both your pass times, and the time you can book your next pass. Since it is all same day, and return windows are random, that's just not as easy to memorize. you're in the parks, trying to get to attractions, and the passes are not evenly spaced.

We used multiple alarms to keep track of the times, and that helped. As soon as I got a G+ pass, I set a timer.

Oh, there was also one time I THOUGHT i had book a G+, but then it disappeared. I'm not sure, what happened, maybe my connection glitched? Luckily, I noticed within a short time and was able to book something else. But I absolutely recommend making sure the system actually shows you as having all your G+.
 

MickeyLuv'r

Well-Known Member
Another insulting aspect of MDE/G+ is the "Chat with Us" texting service.

If you try to text them, they don't answer until like MAYBE 20-30minutes later. You just get a very insulting lip service message:

"Thank you for contacting us. due to guest's excitement and the popularity of Genie+, we are experiencing higher than normal wait times. Rest assured we will respond as soon as possible."

[It doens't matter what time you text them. Genie+ is ALWAYS very "popular" with "excited guests."]

Then if you don't see it, they log out and the system says, "You resolved this conversation at X:XXpm."

Ha!
 

matt9112

Well-Known Member
*exist
Also because I actually had a great experience using G+. I absolutely preferred FP+, but still had some issues with it. Some of those issues were solved by G+. I don't want to go back to FP+, I wish they would make a hybrid system between FP+ and G+ that took the best of both of them.

Reading some of the comments on here you would think G+ spawns the actual new Genie, takes $15, then smacks the S**t out of you.

People can and have had very good days using G+. I had a much better day with G+ than when there was no line skip system.

If it worked so well as you claim disney wouldn't keep adding more and more disclainers about refund ability and how it works etc.

Clearly it DOES NOT work for a large amount of people.
 

mikejs78

Premium Member
Exactly. How is any of this nonsense a "vacation". Disney has completely lost their way.
The cost issue aside., I honestly think Disney really did think they were bringing a better system to WDW, because it's like MaxPass and MaxPass was extremely popular at DLR. There are a number of factors, though, where WDW is different than DLR, so it makes a MaxPass like system impractical.
 

James J

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
I’ll also add, one of the worst aspects is that it forces you to criss cross the parks. It’s EXHAUSTING.
Wouldn't that have also happened with FP+ though? If your selections ended up being something like Space, Splash and Peter Pan in MK (in that order) then you'd be hopping back and forth between lands.

I also don't think that there's much they can really do about that due to the size of the parks, no matter the system in place.
 

WDWFREAK53

Well-Known Member
Do people really enjoy buying concert tickets for a huge act? Sitting at a computer/device refreshing the screen until it opens up and trying to get good seats before a sell out? That's what this has become for each park day of your trip. Then imagine going to that concert and being on your phone the entire time.
 

Jrb1979

Well-Known Member
I still say the biggest issue with Genie+ is they made it accessible to everyone. They had the chance to go in the express pass direction and also limit how many people can buy it. There would a lot less complaints that way. Sure some of you would be locked out but it's no different than now other then you're not out any money.
 

Disney4Lyfe

Well-Known Member
Wouldn't that have also happened with FP+ though? If your selections ended up being something like Space, Splash and Peter Pan in MK (in that order) then you'd be hopping back and forth between lands.

I also don't think that there's much they can really do about that due to the size of the parks, no matter the system in place.
You could simply not choose to stack your FP in a way that has to running back and forth.

With this, it’s take what you can get when you can get it. I went from Navi to Everest to Navi to Kali in that order yesterday. Exhausting. All with tight windows.
 

TikibirdLand

Well-Known Member
You could simply not choose to stack your FP in a way that has to running back and forth.

With this, it’s take what you can get when you can get it. I went from Navi to Everest to Navi to Kali in that order yesterday. Exhausting. All with tight windows.
AK was the worst for getting headliners in the order you wanted, even with FP+. IIRC, what you experienced is what happened with the old paper FP (of course, we didn't have Navi back then, Safari instead).
 

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