Jeff4272
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What time do you get up jimmy?You really should change your name to Jeff645 instead, given how frequently you mention that you hate the thought of waking up at that time.
What time do you get up jimmy?You really should change your name to Jeff645 instead, given how frequently you mention that you hate the thought of waking up at that time.
In fairness. The entire resort is up at 6:45. Rope drop has lost all utility, the app crashes half the time at 7:01. And unless you’re very quick, all the prime times are gone in the first 30 seconds.You really should change your name to Jeff645 instead, given how frequently you mention that you hate the thought of waking up at that time.
No... you can always book one 120 minutes after your last one/park open... so yes you can always get 3 decent ones on every day even at dhs... 8am,10am, noon...Are you completely ignoring return times?
Pure. Utter. Nonsense.No... you can always book one 120 minutes after your last one/park open... so yes you can always get 3 decent ones on every day even at dhs... 8am,10am, noon...
You even said that with a straight face. Bravo! It conveniently ignores reality, where the experience of thousands of people is to the contrary, but let’s not have that get in the way of a good shill statement.No... you can always book one 120 minutes after your last one/park open... so yes you can always get 3 decent ones on every day even at dhs... 8am,10am, noon...
I challenge you to find me 1 park on any day of the year where all "good" rides are sold out 4 hours and 15 minutes after park open (when you should have gotten your 3rd G+). I've been using thrilldata.com which tracks G+ availability, but I'm sure there are other websites that also track this.You even said that with a straight face. Bravo! It conveniently ignores reality, where the experience of thousands of people is to the contrary, but let’s not have that get in the way of a good shill statement.
If they wanted to monetize line skip, what they should have made Genie+ (and what I think they should turn it into) was dynamically priced, a la carte for every ride charged as you tap in like an express lane toll road.
Basically, you would arrive a the attraction entrance. If there is capacity in the LL queue, a price is shown on a sign. The price goes up as the number of people in the LL increases. LL should be given a low percentage of ride capacity but a high enough base price so this system can bring in as much or more revenue as the current Genie+/ILL combination.
When the LL capacity gets close to capacity, the price should get ridiculous so it never actually sells out and somebody who REALLY wants to skip the line at that moment can pay something crazy like $40 per person.
This way, there is no planning involved, you always get what you pay for and limiting LL to 10%-15% of attraction capacity would minimize the negative effect on the line that is included with admission. It would also make the system very simple and easy to understand. You arrive at RotR. The standby line is 90 minutes. There is a sign that you can enter the LL for $20 per person and reduce the wait to 20 minutes. You tap in, get a green light if your payment goes through and save 70 minutes for $20 per person.
The cost would be a formula that takes into account the standby wait and current LL real time capacity used.
In fairness. The entire resort is up at 6:45. Rope drop has lost all utility, the app crashes half the time at 7:01. And unless you’re very quick, all the prime times are gone in the first 30 seconds.
Theres no chance you get 3 good Genie(-) selections at HS, Epcot and AK......Its just not possibleI challenge you to find me 1 park on any day of the year where all "good" rides are sold out 4 hours and 15 minutes after park open (when you should have gotten your 3rd G+). I've been using thrilldata.com which tracks G+ availability, but I'm sure there are other websites that also track this.
Is everyone getting 3? Absolutely not. Because the system is confusing and not helpful to people that learn about it after getting to the park and seeing everyone walk by them.
Once again I am simply arguing that with a little bit of knowledge, you are guaranteed 3 good G+ selections. These times might not fit your specific touring plan, might conflict with a dinner reservation and might eat into your morning/afternoon pool time... but they can be made any day of the year if you want it. I am NOT arguing that everyone does this. I am also NOT arguing that the system is better than FP+.
This is exactly why I went in 2019. It was the first time I skipped a family Disney trip in 14 years. I am pretty go with the flow. That FP+ was fine for my cousins. They'd book my ride and I'd either join them or not but I never played a part in planning my rides 3 months in advance. Restaurants I understood; you'd do that with any other restaurant in the country. Even though I would prefer having some kind of walk in option available...not the point. The point is, the scheduling of the trip just kept getting worse and worse. and the complaints in my family kept getting more annoying. 'This changed!' 'That's not the same!' ' Disney lost it's magic!' the worse being the addition of the charging of parking at (specifically) the Delux resort. My aunt and I drove so the idea that we were already spending $6-700 a night at the Polynesian and now we had to pay for parking was just the last straw. A silly last straw, I know, but it was just added to the pile. So I finally said to myself 'If it's not fun anymore; why go? Why not go somewhere you haven't been before and somewhere that is not so stress inducing?' So I decided to go to Hawaii. I hula dance so it was a great opportunity for me to actually go and experience the birthplace of hula. It wasn't the faux Hawaii that Disney offered (The Polynesian is what got my started with hula dancing so I definitely don't knock it) and It's just a different and relaxing place. I even rode their The Bus system all over the island, lol Now I am ready to try Maui.You want a relaxing vacation, go to Hawaii. Disney parks have not been a relaxing and play-it-by-ear destination for decades.
Theres no chance you get 3 good Genie(-) selections at HS, Epcot and AK......Its just not possible
This is a completely ridiculous statement
*There'sI challenge you to find me 1 park on any day of the year where all "good" rides are sold out 4 hours and 15 minutes after park open (when you should have gotten your 3rd G+). I've been using thrilldata.com which tracks G+ availability, but I'm sure there are other websites that also track this.
Wow, you showed him!*There's
I have fun poking at Jeff a little bit. Him and I have gone back and forth a few times in this thread. I respect his position that he hates the new system, but I respectfully disagree with some of the statements he makes. It's all in good fun and the sake of discussion. The meat of my post was the issue him (or anyone else) the challenge that I quoted from myself to find a day in which all the good attractions are sold out for the day on G+ after 4 hours and 15 minutes of park opening.Wow, you showed him!
Theirs*There's
I like the digs every now and then......I mentioned in an earlier post, it gets the conversations going and to be honest, i actually agree with SOME things you sayI have fun poking at Jeff a little bit. Him and I have gone back and forth a few times in this thread. I respect his position that he hates the new system, but I respectfully disagree with some of the statements he makes. It's all in good fun and the sake of discussion. The meat of my post was the issue him (or anyone else) the challenge that I quoted from myself to find a day in which all the good attractions are sold out for the day on G+ after 4 hours and 15 minutes of park opening.
Good rides are hard to define, so people can disagree with me if they want... but my person list would be:
MK: JC, Pirates, Thunder, Splash, HM, Pan, and Space
EPCOT: Soarin, Land, SSE, Mission Space, TT, Frozen
DHS: SDD, MMRR, MFSR, RnRC, SDD, ToT, TSM
AK: Everest, Dinosaur, Safaris, FotLK, Navi
EDIT: Also I have terrible grammar/ spelling so I really don't care. Just having a quick poke.
In theory the waits should be similar to Fatpass+. I assume the pool for ILL and LL in total to be the same as Fastpass.As an aside to the bickering...
Extremely small sample size (as it was only two days), but I was very surprised at how short the LL waits were once entering the queues.
FoP, RotR, SDD, and MFSR were effectively walk-ons.
KS was less than a 2 minute wait.
TSMM was < 5 minutes.
Star Tours was the longest - maybe 10 minutes, but I think they had just gone down to half capacity when we used it.
Muppets and Tough To Be A Bug were both "instant book and use" and we walked into the next shows - doubt either were necessary to get into the next show.
If this is (even somewhat) the norm, it would seem Disney is throttling back LL availability so as to ensure as little of a wait as possible. I could see that definitely being a preferred strategy for ILL attractions but was genuinely surprised to see it with the most in-demand G+ attractions (like SDD).
Curious to see if Disney might start increasing the pool of LL slots over time - or maybe my experience was an anomaly.
There was a little. At least towards the end of FP+.there wasnt a whole lot of "secret planning" tools to FP+....you woke up once, booked what you wanted and that was it
No, day of. In MK, there is decent pool of pass options, in HS and Epcot (at present), not so much.I think they meant in advance.
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