Disney Genie, Genie+ officially introduced along with confirmed details of how it will work

Jeff4272

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You should be able to get all of them if you are paying $15. It isn't like there are a lot in HS, AK, or Epcot
unless they drop them at different time's throughout the day, then based on today and other busier days it seems very likely the top 6 at HS will be gone before you get to make a second choice
 

Purduevian

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Why are people thinking people only got 1 or 2 rides in or G+? It's 3pm right now, so even in the worst scenario, you should be looking for you fourth LL right now (9,11,1,3). So I'm assuming people have already gotten 3 LL for rides and still have: 4:35 Star tours, and most shows.

So 3 Rides+ Star tours and a show is worth $15 to me especially when the lines look like this:
Alien: 36
MFSR:65
RnRC:80
SDD:100
ST:20
TSMM:55
ToT:50

Realistically you got either SDD or MFSR. Then 2 of RnRC, TSMM, and ToT
Seems better than the old FP+ System where every ride except ST was a tier 1

Edit Alien just opened up an 8pm as well, TSMM a 7:35 and ToT 8:15. Wasn't even trying to refresh
 

jpinkc

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The staggered approach is what I expect for Thanksgiving week. I am not looking forward to being there over that time. I think this whole thing stands a LARGE chance of a Nuclear Meltdown and I will be stuck in the middle of it. I still have not decided on whether or not to do the G+. I still say it wont work as they say it will. I think when it hits 8+ crowd days you are gonna be very lucky to get in 3 Major Attractions at MK, (since Fastpass is gone) let alone the other parks. This whole thing to me is still just a Greed tactic from Disney, on top of all the other increases. Not to mention what the CFO said about cutting food options in the park to reducing portions and trying lower cost alternatives........
 

Jeff4272

Well-Known Member
Why are people thinking people only got 1 or 2 rides in or G+? It's 3pm right now, so even in the worst scenario, you should be looking for you fourth LL right now (9,11,1,3). So I'm assuming people have already gotten 3 LL for rides and still have: 4:35 Star tours, and most shows.

So 3 Rides+ Star tours and a show is worth $15 to me especially when the lines look like this:
Alien: 36
MFSR:65
RnRC:80
SDD:100
ST:20
TSMM:55
ToT:50

Realistically you got either SDD or MFSR. Then 2 of RnRC, TSMM, and ToT
Seems better than the old FP+ System where every ride except ST was a tier 1
They were "sold out" hours ago and next week during thanksgiving it will be sold out even earlier

Thats the point, today you only got one at 7am and then 2 hours after the park opened at 11am before they all sold out

I bet next week during thanksgiving the top 6 rides will be sold out before 11am
 

Purduevian

Well-Known Member
They were "sold out" hours ago and next week during thanksgiving it will be sold out even earlier
From 37 minutes ago...
Now it looks like some rides have availability. I'm showing the following return times:

Alien Saucers - 7:40 PM
MMRR - 8:00 PM ILL
RnRC - 8:05 PM
Star Tours - 4:30 PM
TSM - 8:10 PM
ToT - 8:10 PM

Still not great return times if you haven't had a chance to ride the headliners in that group. Star Tours is the only one that isn't 5+ hours away. If I were there and paid for G+, I'd pick TSM (no interest in ToT or RnRC) and head back to the hotel for an afternoon break. If something good opened up in 2 hours when I would be eligible to make another selection, then great. If not, then it would be pool/hot tub time and then dinner.

Yes Thanksgiving will sell out faster, but the standby lines will also be longer. So your $15 still skips the same quene time, even if it's one less ride.
Still imagine most of the week will give you 1 of either SDD or MFSR before opening. Then at 11 you'll be able to pick one of ToT, RnRC, or TSMM. at 1pm you can either get a show, ST or maybe Alien.
 

Jeff4272

Well-Known Member
From 37 minutes ago...


Yes Thanksgiving will sell out faster, but the standby lines will also be longer. So your $15 still skips the same quene time, even if it's one less ride.
Still imagine most of the week will give you 1 of either SDD or MFSR before opening. Then at 11 you'll be able to pick one of ToT, RnRC, or TSMM. at 1pm you can either get a show, ST or maybe Alien.
I doubt that......I bet ToT and RnRC will both be gone before 11am along with SDD and MFSR.......I also think paid IAS will be gone by park opening for both rides
 

LovePop

Well-Known Member
When Genie+ first debuted, it looked pretty good -- you can get G+ on most rides with a limited wait, sometimes no wait at all. So I really thought I should get Genie+. Right now it's not looking so good at all. For example, Pirates is 35 minutes wait, but G+ is for 2 hours later. Why? Fastpass should not be much longer than wait time being that you are just waiting virtually, and wait time should be calculated with total number of fastpass and in line people together. This makes Genie+ not dependable and not worthwhile. I am rather disappointed. I was going to get G+ for sure, but now it doesn't look like it's worth it. Hm.
 

Purduevian

Well-Known Member
I doubt that......I bet ToT and RnRC will both be gone before 11am along with SDD and MFSR.......I also think paid IAS will be gone by park opening for both rides
We shall see! Some back of the napikin math...
DHS has an estimated capacity of 75,000 guests. with 30% buying G+ that leaves 25,000 people looking for that first LL+

SDD has an hourly capacity of 1440. Lets assume 60% LL meaning 864 LL per hour. 12 hour day means 10,368 of peoples first LL goes to SDD

MFSR has an hourly capacity of ~1500. 60% is 900 LL per hour. 12 hour day means 10,800 of peoples first LL goes to MFSR

So SDD and MFSR "soak up" ~21,000 LL assuming they sell out before park open. That leaves ~4,000 still picking their first LL looking through ToT, RnRC, and TSMM.

In the first 2 hours, 864 people ride SDD, 900 ride MFSR, and about 5,000 through the rest of the LL rides. Meaning ~7,000 will have booked their second LL before 11.
 

mikejs78

Premium Member
From 37 minutes ago...


Yes Thanksgiving will sell out faster, but the standby lines will also be longer. So your $15 still skips the same quene time, even if it's one less ride.
Still imagine most of the week will give you 1 of either SDD or MFSR before opening. Then at 11 you'll be able to pick one of ToT, RnRC, or TSMM. at 1pm you can either get a show, ST or maybe Alien.
I don't think that will be acceptable to most guests who buy G+. Certainly wouldn't be for me.
 

lightningtap347

Well-Known Member
On my trip over the week for the Half Marathon, I asked my old CM friends from my area what/if anything has changed. Based on their response, it doesn't seem like the merge ratios themselves have changed at all, and they're still using the phase cards I have in my wallet. That doesn't mean they're working by those merges, as if only 1/3rd of the original system is used, then you're rarely going to actually need to use the ratios.

Regarding standby, the lines DID MOVE QUICKER. The posted waits were also outright lies more often then not (suspiciously high for FOP). I watched a family of 8 pay for LL for FOP and I decided I would time the 60 minute posted wait. My actual wait? 7 minutes. Something was off, and I feel bad for that family.
 

mikejs78

Premium Member
We shall see! Some back of the napikin math...
DHS has an estimated capacity of 75,000 guests. with 30% buying G+ that leaves 25,000 people looking for that first LL+

SDD has an hourly capacity of 1440. Lets assume 60% LL meaning 864 LL per hour. 12 hour day means 10,368 of peoples first LL goes to SDD

MFSR has an hourly capacity of ~1500. 60% is 900 LL per hour. 12 hour day means 10,800 of peoples first LL goes to MFSR

So SDD and MFSR "soak up" ~21,000 LL assuming they sell out before park open. That leaves ~4,000 still picking their first LL looking through ToT, RnRC, and TSMM.

In the first 2 hours, 864 people ride SDD, 900 ride MFSR, and about 5,000 through the rest of the LL rides. Meaning ~7,000 will have booked their second LL before 11.
Parks still aren't at full capacity and they are selling out. I'm thinking they aren't allocating much capacity to LL... The only question is why.
 

Jeff4272

Well-Known Member
We shall see! Some back of the napikin math...
DHS has an estimated capacity of 75,000 guests. with 30% buying G+ that leaves 25,000 people looking for that first LL+

SDD has an hourly capacity of 1440. Lets assume 60% LL meaning 864 LL per hour. 12 hour day means 10,368 of peoples first LL goes to SDD

MFSR has an hourly capacity of ~1500. 60% is 900 LL per hour. 12 hour day means 10,800 of peoples first LL goes to MFSR

So SDD and MFSR "soak up" ~21,000 LL assuming they sell out before park open. That leaves ~4,000 still picking their first LL looking through ToT, RnRC, and TSMM.

In the first 2 hours, 864 people ride SDD, 900 ride MFSR, and about 5,000 through the rest of the LL rides. Meaning ~7,000 will have booked their second LL before 11.
excellent post........

Genie+ is not worth it to me if i'm only getting 1 or 2 rides

Not sure how other people feel but doesnt add up for me
 

Purduevian

Well-Known Member
excellent post........

Genie+ is not worth it to me if i'm only getting 1 or 2 rides

Not sure how other people feel but doesnt add up for me
Yup, everyone's time vs money is different. Personally $15 is worth a line skip on MFSR (lets call in 90 mins), ToT (lets call it 70 minutes) and Star tours (lets call it 20 mins) to me. But I also travel in a pair instead of a family so $30 vs $60 or $75 is a big difference. (~$0.08 per minute of line skipped per person).

People are already paying $15 to skip a 2ish hour RotR line ($0.125/min per person).
 

mikejs78

Premium Member
excellent post........

Genie+ is not worth it to me if i'm only getting 1 or 2 rides

Not sure how other people feel but doesnt add up for me
Same. I'm fine paying for G+ if the experience is worth it. I'd expect to be able to get access to 4-5 attractions easily with G+. At minimum, either SDD or MFSR, and then TSM, ToT, RnRC, and something else.
 

jpinkc

Well-Known Member
Parks still aren't at full capacity and they are selling out. I'm thinking they aren't allocating much capacity to LL... The only question is why.
WHY? $$$$$$$ For Slappie to show how good he is doing. I think the parks are back to pre pandemic capacity from our Disney Agent. She was told that they are back to normal and not controling attendance below the normal (pre pandemic) operating levels. Just short on staff just about everywhere, but they were not operating at 50% crowd capacity or anything like that anymore.
 

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