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Disney Genie, Genie+ officially introduced along with confirmed details of how it will work

UNCgolf

Well-Known Member
It seems to me that it's unrealistic to expect Disney to keep adding capacity until everyone who wants to go to WDW can comfortably fit in there. They'll settle on the capacity they want and the overflow will go to competitors like Universal. Complaining about specific experiences at WDW is one thing, but "add capacity" is a bottomless pit.

That's not really the point.

It's not about increasing it for future crowds, it's about increasing it for the crowds they already have. They're already far behind in capacity which is one of the main reasons Genie+ exists.

EDIT: Even ignoring the fact that I liked what was offered in the parks themselves more in the mid-90s than now (except for Animal Kingdom, which is the only park that's been significantly improved IMO), the capacity also made them more pleasant places to be. Attendance was lower but that ties in with capacity -- if capacity was commensurately lower then it wouldn't have felt any different than today. The capacity now is basically the same as it was back then at the Magic Kingdom (it may be slightly higher or lower but it's close), and it's actually less at EPCOT. Since crowds are higher, there needs to be more for people to do.

They seemingly finally realized this to an extent, since they added Rat to EPCOT, built several new rides at DHS, and are adding TRON to the Magic Kingdom. However, they've also continued to cut other new capacity projects like the Main Street Theater and the Mary Poppins area/attraction.
 
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Casper Gutman

Well-Known Member
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That's not really the point.

It's not about increasing it for future crowds, it's about increasing it for the crowds they already have. They're already far behind in capacity which is one of the main reasons Genie+ exists.
lso, the fact that they can’t add infinite capacity ( assuming for the sake of argument that demand is infinite) doesn’t mean they shouldn’t add a significant amount of capacity.
 

homerdance

Premium Member
We found that with every park, if you go in the late afternoon then stay until close - we didn't need Genie +. You just have to be willing to wait in 40 minute or so lines for the "big" rides. Totally doable.

Just our experience, we did use Genie + once for each park. I did not find myself staring at my phone endlessly. We booked a ride, tapped in, booked another ride that was available next, etc., - no staring at phone needed.
The price of ticket to arrive “late in the afternoon “ for most people offers no value. Even for us as APs spending 1/3 of the day in the park just to avoid needing to spend $15 per person. Just so frustrating that Disney has done these Extra daily fees
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
I just checked the prices at Hard Rock. The lowest they have for the middle of the week (usually cheapest rates) is $419/night. I paid $70/night at a Comfort Inn less than 2.5 miles away. That's a difference of $349. Even adding in the $170 cost that I paid for an Express Pass, that would still be $179 higher per night to stay at the Hard Rock.

Plus, I'm pretty sure the included Express Passes are only good for the number of days a family is staying there. I was a family of one on my most recent trip.
You get Express Pass for the day of check-in and check-out, so a one night stay includes two days of Unlimited Express.
 

nickys

Premium Member
Pre pandemic me and the missus visited Orlando 3 times a year, we love it.

We are visiting in Novemver for 2 weeks but must say this Genie+ thing has really spoilt the whole experience for us. Disney is expensive as it is and being faced with another $100 dollars a day expense, just to get what we had for nothing before, is a bitter pill to swallow.

Our biggest problem is that being from the UK, every time we make a purchase in dollars the bank will charge $6 foreign transaction fee....so when we buy Genie+ we will both incur $6 fee. We book 2 Lightning Lane plus? Another $6 for each one, oer person....I can't see any other way round than paying by our bank cards and getting hit constantly with bank charges.

We have both decided that this November trip will now be our last..and instead we will be touring Europe and the rest of the worlds theme parks instead.

We will have a blast for 2 weeks...it will cost us an arm and a leg, but that will be it for Orlando - Disney Parks were always a big part of our trips but I couldn't stomach the way Disney are heading, charging MORE for a much lesser service.

Such a shame, but it is what it is.
If the foreign transaction fee really is your biggest problem, and the reason for not visiting WDW again, then look into a Caxton Fx Card.

You can get one that you load in US$ and use it just like a debit card.when you’re in the US. You load it online using your U.K. debit card and at that point you pay the transaction fee. But all those small transactions are done in US$ so no fees.

DH and I use those for day to day spending, and have a credit card on file at the resort for room charging.
 

JPA76ers

New Member
Is there any chance Individual attraction selections help new rides get built ...and faster. Take Animal Kingdom for example. They can't be making much on Everest. But if they build a new exciting ride now they can likely forecast a real amount of revenue that would be generated over a 5 year period thru IAS. Feels like that would be easier to get new rides approved.

Id prefer they just build new stuff but maybe a positive outcome that could come from this genie plus thing
 

Thepuma

Active Member
If the foreign transaction fee really is your biggest problem, and the reason for not visiting WDW again, then look into a Caxton Fx Card.

You can get one that you load in US$ and use it just like a debit card.when you’re in the US. You load it online using your U.K. debit card and at that point you pay the transaction fee. But all those small transactions are done in US$ so no fees.

DH and I use those for day to day spending, and have a credit card on file at the resort for room charging.
Hi

The international fees aren't the only reason, but one of them....I mean, paying for them in the first place is the biggest annoyance, but then adding £5 for every $15 genie plus and lighting lane + just is the icing on the Cake.

But, thank you ever so much for the info on the Caxton card...I never knew such thing existed. I was hoping Disney would allow payment by PayPal, which which save the international fee each time....I will look into those cards, it may be a big headache saver for out trip at the end of November.
 

nickys

Premium Member
Hi

The international fees aren't the only reason, but one of them....I mean, paying for them in the first place is the biggest annoyance, but then adding £5 for every $15 genie plus and lighting lane + just is the icing on the Cake.

But, thank you ever so much for the info on the Caxton card...I never knew such thing existed. I was hoping Disney would allow payment by PayPal, which which save the international fee each time....I will look into those cards, it may be a big headache saver for out trip at the end of November.
I get the annoyance, for sure.

But we found the Caxton card so useful, it’s just like having a debit card with you. Especially when you’re out of the bubble and buying lunch and stuff. And if you store the number you could use it for mobile ordering too. I think it’s a MasterCard but not 100% sure about that.
 

Thepuma

Active Member
I get the annoyance, for sure.

But we found the Caxton card so useful, it’s just like having a debit card with you. Especially when you’re out of the bubble and buying lunch and stuff. And if you store the number you could use it for mobile ordering too. I think it’s a MasterCard but not 100% sure about that.
Awesome....I can't believe I've never heard of them. Its the PERFECT solution to our problem....and I reckon it will save us $36 for every day we do disney (2 lots of genie plus and 4 lightning lane plus)...so probably $250 over the 2 weeks we are in Orlando.

Thanks so much for mentioning it....honestly it will be a godsend. Its a shame you can't use it for tolls as we are going to watch the Miami Dolphins play in Miami and we are driving.
 

arich35

Well-Known Member
If the foreign transaction fee really is your biggest problem, and the reason for not visiting WDW again, then look into a Caxton Fx Card.

You can get one that you load in US$ and use it just like a debit card.when you’re in the US. You load it online using your U.K. debit card and at that point you pay the transaction fee. But all those small transactions are done in US$ so no fees.

DH and I use those for day to day spending, and have a credit card on file at the resort for room charging.
Does a Disney Gift Card not work?
 

dreday3

Well-Known Member
The price of ticket to arrive “late in the afternoon “ for most people offers no value. Even for us as APs spending 1/3 of the day in the park just to avoid needing to spend $15 per person. Just so frustrating that Disney has done these Extra daily fees

Well, the entire 9 days we were there, I'm sure you could have gone the entire day without needing it. A lot of people were in the regular lines. You just have to be okay with standing in 30 or so minute waits.
 

nickys

Premium Member
Does a Disney Gift Card not work?
Not so much offsite. 😉

Haven’t been to WDW since mobile ordering came in, I believe you can use a gift card for that. Not sure about Genie+ and ILL$ though.

The problem with gift cards are:

a) knowing how much to load onto it If it runs out tough luck buying Genie at midnight or even 7am.
b) having to actually go buy one using a credit card in the first place. So if I’m going to go and buy one using a card, I might as well just use the card instead.
c) it’s safer if I lose the Caxton card than if I lose a gift card. Once reported lost, no one could use the Caxton card b/c it’d be cancelled. Never having used a gift card I don’t know how you put a stop on it.
 

James J

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
I get the annoyance, for sure.

But we found the Caxton card so useful, it’s just like having a debit card with you. Especially when you’re out of the bubble and buying lunch and stuff. And if you store the number you could use it for mobile ordering too. I think it’s a MasterCard but not 100% sure about that.

It is indeed a Mastercard, and we also found it so useful. Not just for at WDW but also when I'm in South Carolina visiting family. Being able to top up whenever required makes life so much easier, and like you said it's just like having a debit card.
 

Jeff4272

Well-Known Member
I just checked the prices at Hard Rock. The lowest they have for the middle of the week (usually cheapest rates) is $419/night. I paid $70/night at a Comfort Inn less than 2.5 miles away. That's a difference of $349. Even adding in the $170 cost that I paid for an Express Pass, that would still be $179 higher per night to stay at the Hard Rock.

Plus, I'm pretty sure the included Express Passes are only good for the number of days a family is staying there. I was a family of one on my most recent trip.
Yes but if you had 5 it would be $170 x 5 = $850 and then $850 x 2 = $1,700 value because Express pass is good for check in and check out day.

so you pay $419 for over $1,700 of value
 

sedati

Well-Known Member
Ah yes, I miss the glory days of the seventies and eighties when the resorts were massively expensive when compared to local options and there were no perks whatsoever beyond proximity and transportation. (Best Western here we come)
We went in July and August and the lines for nearly all attractions were incredibly long, and they were incredibly long for everyone (and mostly horrid switchbacks in the blazing hot sun.)
At least for me fastpass was a wash. Yes we got on some E-tickets quick, but then waited hello-long for some D's. On top of that we just seemed to be walking far more- so much more.
If Genie+ is harder to scam then I'm all for it because my impression is that it has been rampant. From what I overheard in lines and what I've heard from others on their own trips, that's the real problem. The people I know who are complaining the most are the cheaters. I just wish they'd double the LL prices and cut the capacity by half. Or triple.
 

Jeff4272

Well-Known Member
Ah yes, I miss the glory days of the seventies and eighties when the resorts were massively expensive when compared to local options and there were no perks whatsoever beyond proximity and transportation. (Best Western here we come)
We went in July and August and the lines for nearly all attractions were incredibly long, and they were incredibly long for everyone (and mostly horrid switchbacks in the blazing hot sun.)
At least for me fastpass was a wash. Yes we got on some E-tickets quick, but then waited hello-long for some D's. On top of that we just seemed to be walking far more- so much more.
If Genie+ is harder to scam then I'm all for it because my impression is that it has been rampant. From what I overheard in lines and what I've heard from others on their own trips, that's the real problem. The people I know who are complaining the most are the cheaters. I just wish they'd double the LL prices and cut the capacity by half. Or triple.
Only problem is, they can and likely will double or triple the IA$ prices but they won’t cut the capacity.
 

sedati

Well-Known Member
Only problem is, they can and likely will double or triple the IA$ prices but they won’t cut the capacity.
But to some extent that makes sense. The longer the line you're skipping, the higher the value. Also (possibly) the higher the price, the fewer users.
 

RoadiJeff

Well-Known Member
You get Express Pass for the day of check-in and check-out, so a one night stay includes two days of Unlimited Express.
And who is going to get much benefit of an Express Pass on check-in day, which is normally 3-4pm that day? I certainly would not waste my time or the cost of a ticket to be there for only a few hours.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
And who is going to get much benefit of an Express Pass on check-in day, which is normally 3-4pm that day? I certainly would not waste my time or the cost of a ticket to be there for only a few hours.
It is good the entire day, not just after check-in. You can show up first thing in the morning on your check-in day and get the Express Pass. They also work after you’ve checked out on your check-out day.
 

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