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Disney Genie, Genie+ officially introduced along with confirmed details of how it will work

matt9112

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This is exactly right!

People talk about how staying on-site is a no-brainer for their family of four because of what a deal the "free" pass is while failing to realize that Universal themselves sets the price of that ticket add-on and intentionally prices everything to make the resorts a “value” in that sense.

They could do away with the non-resort option entirely which would, one would guess, make the resort option even more valuable since it would truly be exclusive but without the high individual ticket price, there would be no anchor for anyone to attach a financial value to the offer and therefor, make it seem like a potentially less valuable benifit to staying on-site.

Its an important element of prospective though that the deluxe resorts at uni are what half of the cost of disneys deluxe?
 

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Jeff4272

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I hate paying for it but I’m also surprised they sisn
This is where it feels like an absolute steal. We stayed at the Royal Pacific, which was a very nice hotel, and paid less than half of what we'd have to pay to stay at a Disney deluxe -- and that included the Unlimited Express Pass.

I don't enjoy Universal nearly as much as WDW because I don't really like most of their rides, but I don't think Disney offers anything that's even remotely comparable to Universal's Deluxe rooms in overall value.
I agree with you 100%. We used to go and stay at Disney and visit universal. We also like Disney better but the universal hotels are just as nice or nicer and at half the cost and there’s no longer any on site benefits to staying at Disney.

We are going to flip our stays now. we will now stay at hard rock, get unlimited express pass for free and just visit Disney 2-3 days per trip. It’s cheaper and you get a way better experience in a nicer hotel for less money.

express pass is awesome. I don’t have to wake up at 7am, constantly be checking my phone, worry about missing my favorite rides, not worry about going to the water park in the morning and going to the parks in the afternoon and not getting on rides.

it’s a far superior product.
 
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Lirael

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I too loved the ability to preplan with FP+, but most here seemed to dislike what they saw as the resultant lack of spontaneity. For them, at least, I should think the new system is an improvement, or would be if not for the cost entailed.
I understand not wanting to plan out in advance. But at the same time I can't imagine paying and not caring about whatever you get.

Like, if I'm being spontaneous in a free fast line offering, comes the day and I find out none of the rides I'm into are available for fast line, and all I can score is, say, the Dumbo ride and I don't even have kids... I'd shrug and go oh well, and accept. But I wouldn't be okay with the same situation if I'd just paid 20 or more for that.

I understand someone who likes spontaneity paying up the Universal fast line passes. Are they very expensive? Absolutely, but they deliver that spontaneous fast line offering. You buy it, you walk onto whatever you like at any time. Meanwhile the Disney offering doesn't give you that reassurance. Not spontaneous friendly at all, for me.
 

Jeff4272

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I understand not wanting to plan out in advance. But at the same time I can't imagine paying and not caring about whatever you get.

Like, if I'm being spontaneous in a free fast line offering, comes the day and I find out none of the rides I'm into are available for fast line, and all I can score is, say, the Dumbo ride and I don't even have kids... I'd shrug and go oh well, and accept. But I wouldn't be okay with the same situation if I'd just paid 20 or more for that.

I understand someone who likes spontaneity paying up the Universal fast line passes. Are they very expensive? Absolutely, but they deliver that spontaneous fast line offering. You buy it, you walk onto whatever you like at any time. Meanwhile the Disney offering doesn't give you that reassurance. Not spontaneous friendly at all, for me.
Thats the problem with Genie+ and I think people are already figuring it out to a certain degree but it will be well know by Jan 1st

When its slow, you dont need it

When its busy, its not worth it because you wont be able to get the rides you want

Genie+ and ILL$ are poorly thought out and expensive
 
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Chip Chipperson

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I too loved the ability to preplan with FP+, but most here seemed to dislike what they saw as the resultant lack of spontaneity. For them, at least, I should think the new system is an improvement, or would be if not for the cost entailed.

I certainly preferred the FP+ system. At least then I could know that a day in MK wouldn't be spent criss-crossing the park multiple times to ride everything I want because I'd be able to schedule them in advance in a way that made our loop around the park make sense. Now? Maybe I'll still be able to do that while in the park, but it seems less likely - not to mention $15/person more than the $0 paid for FP+. I'm still in "wait and see" mode with how G+ will pan out, but it seems like the 1 park with enough rides to justify (for lack of a better word) the cost is also the one that could see guests paying for a more tiring experience. The value of G+ in every other park seems to hinge on whether or not you're going to be park-hopping later in the day and there is still some decent LL availability in that 2nd park.

I guess I should say 1 good thing about G+ so as not to hurt its feelings. I assumed that it would require waking up and being on my phone every morning at 7 AM sharp to get a good ride, but that seems to only really be the case with SDD so far (although that may change during the holiday weeks coming up).

Of course, the rush for SDD LL selections wouldn't be quite so bad if they hadn't insisted on having 2 ILL attractions in every park regardless of how many attractions those parks actually have. If they had made RotR the only ILL selection in DHS then MMRR would take at least some of the burden off of SDD when people booked their first selection at 7 AM - and might have even made the company more money in the long run by making G+ seem like a better value (and thus selling more of them) and also allowing them to consider charging a few dollars more for the Rise ILLs to make up for the lost MMRR ILL revenue. Has MMRR sold out all of its ILLs on any date so far? It seems like it hasn't, although I admittedly haven't followed that closely. So they'd lose the MMRR revenue but gain maybe $5 per Rise ILL and it will still sell out at that price, and they'd also sell more of the $15 G+ service to DHS visitors.
 

Hawg G

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Honest Question. And this may have been addressed in the 400+ previous pages but:

Why didn't they go with a Universal type system?

Say: 1 Day/1 Park LL pass for $100pp (With a multi-park option at a higher price point) - then maybe a 1 Park/after 3pm option for say $60? Single use, no reservations, no return times.

Could have been included with Deluxe resorts as an incentive (obviously built into the room rate), and maybe offered as a % off for moderates and values. Otherwise you stand in line.

Seems to me from a guest experience perspective that would have been the way to go. But I guess Disney is making more revenue doing it this convoluted way.

Because for most of this century, and the end of the last,, Disney built hotels instead of adding ride capacity. They convinced the Diznoid rubes that FP+ was a great thing, even though it severely limited your rides per day, because there simply isn’t enough ride capacity.

They can’t do what Universal does.
 

drizgirl

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Because for most of this century, and the end of the last,, Disney built hotels instead of adding ride capacity. They convinced the Diznoid rubes that FP+ was a great thing, even though it severely limited your rides per day, because there simply isn’t enough ride capacity.

They can’t do what Universal does.
Exactly that. They've been playing a shell game trying to hide the fact that there isn't enough ride capacity for the number of people coming through the gates.

100% agree they could never offer what Universal does.
 

dreday3

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Trying AK today without Genie +.

So far, it's worked really well for us. Only ride that ran out was Slinky Dog, but that's because we were playing a game of chicken, trying to see if we could schedule one for evening. We lost. 😂

Do we like paying? No. But in the heat/humidity we've had this trip, it was worth it for us.

Only rides we would pay extra for again would be Railway and Rat. We loved those rides. Railway you won't need to if you ride near close though, waits were 15 minutes!

Rise was fun, but not worth paying for more than once.
 
I certainly preferred the FP+ system. At least then I could know that a day in MK wouldn't be spent criss-crossing the park multiple times to ride everything I want because I'd be able to schedule them in advance in a way that made our loop around the park make sense. Now? Maybe I'll still be able to do that while in the park, but it seems less likely - not to mention $15/person more than the $0 paid for FP+. I'm still in "wait and see" mode with how G+ will pan out, but it seems like the 1 park with enough rides to justify (for lack of a better word) the cost is also the one that could see guests paying for a more tiring experience. The value of G+ in every other park seems to hinge on whether or not you're going to be park-hopping later in the day and there is still some decent LL availability in that 2nd park.

I guess I should say 1 good thing about G+ so as not to hurt its feelings. I assumed that it would require waking up and being on my phone every morning at 7 AM sharp to get a good ride, but that seems to only really be the case with SDD so far (although that may change during the holiday weeks coming up).

Of course, the rush for SDD LL selections wouldn't be quite so bad if they hadn't insisted on having 2 ILL attractions in every park regardless of how many attractions those parks actually have. If they had made RotR the only ILL selection in DHS then MMRR would take at least some of the burden off of SDD when people booked their first selection at 7 AM - and might have even made the company more money in the long run by making G+ seem like a better value (and thus selling more of them) and also allowing them to consider charging a few dollars more for the Rise ILLs to make up for the lost MMRR ILL revenue. Has MMRR sold out all of its ILLs on any date so far? It seems like it hasn't, although I admittedly haven't followed that closely. So they'd lose the MMRR revenue but gain maybe $5 per Rise ILL and it will still sell out at that price, and they'd also sell more of the $15 G+ service to DHS visitors.
I haven't paid much attention to MMRR ILL, but based on today (9:50am and the return time is 1:40) that it is kind of popular to purchase and likely sells out or comes close to it later in the day on busier days.
 
I knew MDE/G+ wouldn't let you know with a push notification when you are eligible for your next G+ selection, but it's truly unbelievable that MDE/G+ does not provide any push notifications when your G+ return time window opens either.
 

MrPromey

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Its an important element of prospective though that the deluxe resorts at uni are what half of the cost of disneys deluxe?
Oh, absolutely.

This is just in relation to the value of this particular offering. Not trying to suggest Universal is pulling a fast one here - just pointing out that they are the ones that set the "value" of this perk since they control the price of the same feature being bought separately and it comes at essentially no cost to them.

When you compare this to Disney's 30 minutes in the park early for resorts on their property that cost the same or usually more and which don't offer the same quality standards (moderates - we won't even get into how these Universal resorts are of higher standards than the Deluxe) there is just no comparison in quality and benefits.

These days, it seems the "Disney Difference" may just be code for "It'll cost more and probably not be as good".
 

Hawg G

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Its funny and you make a very valid point.
There are some very good rides at Uni. Some.

With EP -in a few hours you ride the coasters and their E tickets - and by 4pm you’re thinking “Okay. What should we do now? I know. Let’s ride the coasters again.” Then after 3 Hulks, 4 Mummys, 3 Rips. You start thinking “screw it, let’s go get something to eat.”

Yet at Disney, folks loved FP+ because they got a single ride on Peter Pan with no wait. Then getting to ride Dwarf Hill ONCE the next day. Expectations are much lower at Disney. And you pay the same for a glorified motel as you do for a true luxury hotel at Universal.

I guess a lot of folks think it’s a great deal.
 

Jeff4272

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I guess I should say 1 good thing about G+ so as not to hurt its feelings. I assumed that it would require waking up and being on my phone every morning at 7 AM sharp to get a good ride, but that seems to only really be the case with SDD so far (although that may change during the holiday weeks coming up).

Exactly that. They've been playing a shell game trying to hide the fact that there isn't enough ride capacity for the number of people coming through the gates.

100% agree they could never offer what Universal does.
100% disagree.......Charge more money and have a limited amount that can do it


easily done
 

Jeff4272

Well-Known Member
Trying AK today without Genie +.

So far, it's worked really well for us. Only ride that ran out was Slinky Dog, but that's because we were playing a game of chicken, trying to see if we could schedule one for evening. We lost. 😂

Do we like paying? No. But in the heat/humidity we've had this trip, it was worth it for us.

Only rides we would pay extra for again would be Railway and Rat. We loved those rides. Railway you won't need to if you ride near close though, waits were 15 minutes!

Rise was fun, but not worth paying for more than once.
AK or HS?
 

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