Disney Genie, Genie+ officially introduced along with confirmed details of how it will work

CntrlFlPete

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Honest Question. And this may have been addressed in the 400+ previous pages but:

Why didn't they go with a Universal type system?

Say: 1 Day/1 Park LL pass for $100pp (With a multi-park option at a higher price point) - then maybe a 1 Park/after 3pm option for say $60? Single use, no reservations, no return times.

Could have been included with Deluxe resorts as an incentive (obviously built into the room rate), and maybe offered as a % off for moderates and values. Otherwise you stand in line.

Seems to me from a guest experience perspective that would have been the way to go. But I guess Disney is making more revenue doing it this convoluted way.

to me, I feel like Disney is currently setting the price/perceived value of this new revenue stream. I am sure they will include Genie+ as part of a package deal as it will help them add that in when calculate the package savings compared to rack rates.
 

UNCgolf

Well-Known Member
Its funny and you make a very valid point.
There are some very good rides at Uni. Some.

With EP -in a few hours you ride the coasters and their E tickets - and by 4pm you’re thinking “Okay. What should we do now? I know. Let’s ride the coasters again.” Then after 3 Hulks, 4 Mummys, 3 Rips. You start thinking “screw it, let’s go get something to eat.”

The Hulk and Rip are two I have no desire to ride! I'm not really a coaster fan -- they need elaborate theming to interest me.

Mummy is very good. I love Jurassic Park River Adventure (probably my favorite ride at Universal), and E.T. is a great classic dark ride. Spiderman is excellent for what it is. Screens just don't do much for me, but it's probably as good as a heavily screen reliant ride can be. The other log flume and the rapids ride are probably fun, but they both looked like they get you soaked and it wasn't really a weather day for that when we were there. That's kind of it for rides I either really enjoyed or looked fun to me; almost everything else was either a meh or I just had no interest in riding.

Didn't ride Gringott's, but it doesn't look great to me and most comments about it are ambivalent. Hagrid's wasn't open yet when I was there, but it also doesn't look like something that would really impress me.
 
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"El Magnifico"

Friend to the Friendless
Premium Member
The Hulk and Rip are two I have no desire to ride! I'm not really a coaster fan -- they need elaborate theming to interest me.

Mummy is very good. I love Jurassic Park River Adventure (probably my favorite ride at Universal), and E.T. is a great classic dark ride. Spiderman is excellent for what it is. Screens just don't do much for me, but it's probably as good as a heavily screen reliant ride can be. The other log flume and the rapids ride are probably fun, but they both looked like they get you soaked and it wasn't really a weather day for that when we were there. That's kind of it for rides I either really enjoyed or looked fun to me; almost everything else was either a meh or I just had no interest in riding.
When the screen is the ride it stinks. When the screen compliments the ride system it’s not bad.
 
I think you'd have to charge a lot more than that to make it work at Disney. Disney's attendance is higher on average than Universal's and if you sell it to too many people it stops being a big benefit. You'll end up with a lot of angry customers that they paid for the pass and ended up still waiting in line for 30-45 minutes for some rides.
Wait, you mean the method of line skipping used by the company with 2 parks in the top 10 theme park attendance in 2019-2020 doesn't scale to the company with 5 parks in the top 10? (Also the one that hasn't build capacity over the last 20 years)? This is shocking...
 

Touchdown

Well-Known Member
Its funny and you make a very valid point.
There are some very good rides at Uni. Some.

With EP -in a few hours you ride the coasters and their E tickets - and by 4pm you’re thinking “Okay. What should we do now? I know. Let’s ride the coasters again.” Then after 3 Hulks, 4 Mummys, 3 Rips. You start thinking “screw it, let’s go get something to eat.”
You forgot Hagrids and Veliciocoaster, then throw in Spider-Man, MIB (try to max out the score I have, it’s by far the best shooter dark ride currently in existence,) the water rides, ET, Hogwarts Express and you’re getting closer to a full day. Then when you throw in the projection show at Hogwarts, the lagoon night show, catching the Blues Bros show or Diagon Alley shows, Bourne, or occasionally do some of the lesser rides, not to mention Volcano Bay and the seasonal entertainment Sept-Dec and you have a full day. Also most of the time those parks close by 9 (HHN being the exception) and that feels about right. As someone who will get a Universal AP and do multiple trips in a year I really think you’re wrong.
 

"El Magnifico"

Friend to the Friendless
Premium Member
You forgot Hagrids and Veliciocoaster, then throw in Spider-Man, MIB (try to max out the score I have, it’s by far the best shooter dark ride currently in existence,) the water rides, ET, Hogwarts Express and you’re getting closer to a full day. Then when you throw in the projection show at Hogwarts, the lagoon night show, catching the Blues Bros show or Diagon Alley shows, Bourne, or occasionally do some of the lesser rides, not to mention Volcano Bay and the seasonal entertainment Sept-Dec and you have a full day. Also most of the time those parks close by 9 (HHN being the exception) and that feels about right. As someone who will get a Universal AP and do multiple trips in a year I really think you’re wrong.
It was sarcasm. But that being said I have hit 4 rides an hour before - and within the 5 hour mark I’ve been on every ride in both parks that I wanted to go on - and that includes waiting in line on Hagrids and Veloci. It was fun. I like Uni.
 

UNCgolf

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Geez…no mention of Forbidden Journey? It’s only one of the best rides on the planet.

If I was ranking every ride I've ever been on, it would be near the bottom. I realize that's a minority opinion, of course, but I found the actual content of the ride mediocre (the dragon was the only really good part) and the ride system horrendous. Incredibly unpleasant to ride and it gave me the worst motion sickness I've ever had.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Every time I think of universal, I look at their ticket prices and am immediately turned off. To be honest, we have cut our WDW trips from. 3-4 a year to 1 every couple years (and falling). First time since high school we bought cedar point passes, and honestly found it a lot more fun than any Disney trip we have done in the past 5 years.
Still…If ever our calendars line up…the bar tab is on me🍻
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Geez…no mention of Forbidden Journey? It’s only one of the best rides on the planet.

It's awful. If I was ranking every ride I've ever been on, it would be near the bottom.
Not a fan of the Kuka, huh?

I think it’s very polarizing…some love it and some can’t stand it.

I like it…but it’s actually too long. It can become too much on the head.
Something you’ll find me accusing no Disney ride built in the last 20 years of being.
 

UNCgolf

Well-Known Member
Not a fan of the Kuka, huh?

I think it’s very polarizing…some love it and some can’t stand it.

I like it…but it’s actually too long. It can become too much on the head.
Something you’ll find me accusing no Disney ride built in the last 20 years of being.

Yeah, the ride system was terrible. I had to sit down and do nothing for almost an hour after exiting because it gave me horrendous motion sickness. My GF did not get sick, but her neck actually hurt for the next couple of days because it jerks you around so much.

Putting that aside, though, the biggest problem was that the majority of the ride is a worse version of Flight of Passage. I'm not the biggest fan of FoP, but at least you have really gorgeous scenery to look at -- Forbidden Journey is mostly watching a movie of zooming around on a broomstick through a place we've already seen on film for hours and hours. It wasn't anything new. The parts where you get away from a screen were better, but they still weren't anything special for the most part (I did like the dragon).
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Yeah, the ride system was terrible. I had to sit down and do nothing for almost an hour after exiting because it gave me horrendous motion sickness. My GF did not get sick, but her neck actually hurt for the next couple of days because it jerks you around so much.

Putting that aside, though, the biggest problem was that the majority of the ride is a worse version of Flight of Passage. I'm not the biggest fan of FoP, but at least you have really gorgeous scenery to look at -- Forbidden Journey is mostly watching a movie of zooming around on a broomstick through a place we've already seen on film for hours and hours. It wasn't anything new. The parts where you get away from a screen were better, but they still weren't anything special for the most part.
At least it’s a good movie series…

have you ridden rise of the boredom yet?
 

FoodRockz

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The Hulk and Rip are two I have no desire to ride! I'm not really a coaster fan -- they need elaborate theming to interest me.

Mummy is very good. I love Jurassic Park River Adventure (probably my favorite ride at Universal), and E.T. is a great classic dark ride. Spiderman is excellent for what it is. Screens just don't do much for me, but it's probably as good as a heavily screen reliant ride can be. The other log flume and the rapids ride are probably fun, but they both looked like they get you soaked and it wasn't really a weather day for that when we were there. That's kind of it for rides I either really enjoyed or looked fun to me; almost everything else was either a meh or I just had no interest in riding.

Didn't ride Gringott's, but it doesn't look great to me and most comments about it are ambivalent. Hagrid's wasn't open yet when I was there, but it also doesn't look like something that would really impress me.
I don't enjoy Hulk or Rip, but LOVE Velocicoaster and Hagrid. You really should try them out before dismissing them.

Sorry for getting the thread more off topic!
 

UNCgolf

Well-Known Member
At least it’s a good movie series…

have you ridden rise of the boredom yet?

Nope. It was open last time I was at WDW, but it was still using the method where you actually had to go line up outside DHS for a chance at a boarding group. I didn't even attempt to ride because no ride is worth that hassle to me. If it had been the more recent do it from your hotel room version, I'd have at least tried for one.

I did ride Smuggler's Run, which was really bad. It would be better as a Millennium Falcon walkthrough.
 

UNCgolf

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I don't enjoy Hulk or Rip, but LOVE Velocicoaster and Hagrid. You really should try them out before dismissing them.

Sorry for getting the thread more off topic!

I plan to give Hagrid's a shot at some point, but I can already tell I won't be riding Velocicoaster. I'm acrophobic, which made giant outdoor coasters troublesome even when I was younger, but now I tend to get bad motion sickness on high intensity ones. Since I was never much of a coaster fan to begin with, even as a kid -- they just didn't really entertain me -- it's not worth it.

I'm just not a roller coaster guy, which is probably why Disney's parks are the only ones that have ever done much for me. I generally prefer the attraction lineup at Universal 25 years ago to the current lineup -- the old Kong ride and Earthquake were much better than the current Kong ride and Fast and Furious (which I think replaced Earthquake). Diagon Alley as a whole area is amazing and a worthwhile replacement for Jaws, but on an individual attraction level I'd much rather have Jaws then Gringott's, not to mention something like Transformers.
 
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LittleBuford

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With FP+, you could plan out your trip 30, maybe 60, days in advance -or any other day before your trip- so when you got to the parks it was just, arrive, enjoy.
I too loved the ability to preplan with FP+, but most here seemed to dislike what they saw as the resultant lack of spontaneity. For them, at least, I should think the new system is an improvement, or would be if not for the cost entailed.
 

Nunu

Wanderluster
Premium Member
I too loved the ability to preplan with FP+, but most here seemed to dislike what they saw as the resultant lack of spontaneity. For them, at least, I should think the new system is an improvement, or would be if not for the cost entailed.
Wouldn't say I 'loved' it, but certainly preferred it, even if it meant waking up very early one day (I live outside the US), to make our FP+ selections. I saw it as a time investment of sorts. Knowing that we would be able to ride 3 favorite attractions in each park, in a timely manner, was worth the 'hassle' for us.

We also chose our FP+'s return times in a way that we always had room for spontaneity, too. Oh, and there wasn't a $15p/p fee attached to it, either.
 

LittleBuford

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Wouldn't say I 'loved' it, but certainly preferred it, even if it meant waking up very early one day (I live outside the US), to make our FP+ selections. I saw it as a time investment of sorts. Knowing that we would be able to ride 3 favorite attractions in each park, in a timely manner, was worth the 'hassle' for us.

We also chose our FP+'s return times in a way that we always had room for spontaneity, too. Oh, and there wasn't a $15p/p fee attached to it, either.
It was a preferable system in my eyes also. I shall miss it.
 

Richie248

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This may have been answered but....if I pay for an Individual Lightening Lane pass am I still able to hold a Genie+ Lightening Lane pass or does the paid LL count toward my once every 2 hours/after clicking-in allotment...????
 

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