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Disney Genie, Genie+ officially introduced along with confirmed details of how it will work

Patcheslee

Well-Known Member
true, but the window seems to be dropping. Roughly went from 40 mins, to 25 mins, to 1 min. Guesses for tomorrow? Resort only?
I wonder if some people that booked, but didn't ride due to downtime were given options for another day if they chose vs refund or GC. Personally if I knew I had 2 days at HS, I'd be okay with GS prebooking it and me getting a bit more sleep.
 

Casper Gutman

Well-Known Member
It might be personal bias here, as we are are always rope drop people but I can't image that the group of people who are vacationing at WDW who are not AWAKE at 7am(or close to it) is very large. Not up, dressed, and out the door waiting at the parks for opening...maybe. But not awake in your hotel or soon to be awake? Not saying there aren't some people who are sleeping in, but I think generally the number of people who are vacationing at WDW and are sleeping in past say 9am (if your idea of sleeping in is 8am and your complaining about losing a single hour of sleep, I can't help you) on a park day has to be pretty small relative to overall park attendance.
So it genuinely comes as a surprise to you that people on vacation like to sleep in? That that’s one of the main attractions of a vacation for many people? Or that, setting that aside, perhaps people don’t like to be rigidly scheduled on vacation and have their sleeptimes as well as eating habits and daily activities dictated by the company to which they’re paying thousands and thousands of dollars? The company that’s supposed to be serving them, not vice versa?

This seems to be a major point of confusion, actually: WDW is supposed to be serving the guests. The guest is not supposed to be serving Disney.
 

Wendy Pleakley

Well-Known Member
I think you would be surprised how many people would like to sleep in. Not sleep half the day away but until 830 or 9. The rope drop crowd is indicative of that.

If we get to the park by 11 we have 8 hours at AK, and more at the other 3. If Genie + works out well for those who like to get the park early and also arrive late then the $15 is worth it. But having to wake up early for the ILL bookings like Rise or to book your Genie + LL for SDD will be necessary from all indications to jump on right away or within the first 30 minutes (7 to 730am).

Any time I've been to WDW recently lots of people are up and about in the early hours. The food courts are busy. The buses are full.

I don't think any of us know the exact breakdown.

In any case, the early bird has always gotten the worm at WDW. Getting there early = more attractions, more Fastpasses, shorter waits, etc.

Also, if the majority do sleep in, then it's fine. There will still be plenty of Genie+ options available for all later.

There are some exceptions, Slinky Dog Dash has been mentioned. No surprise there. My last trip I was stuck with a late evening FP because it was day 1 of my trip and most of the FPs for it were gone. It caused me to feel like I was being held hostage in that park for the day to a degree.

When a park is as low capacity as the Studios are, Genie+ selections will be more limited.
 

mgf

Well-Known Member
I don't know why some people are so hung up over the 7am booking time.

There's no time that's going to be perfect for everyone. Would I prefer to book at 10pm the night before? Sure. Would there also be people asleep at that time, or doing evening hours who don't like the time? Yes.

I imagine most people are up at 7am while at WDW in order to get started and maximize their day. Why would Disney set a booking time differently in order to cater to a small minority who wants to sleep in?

Honestly, I would bet decent money that timing is driven more by availability of a batch/refresh on a server somewhere than guest experience.
 

ShookieJones

We need time for things to happen.
Premium Member
So it genuinely comes as a surprise to you that people on vacation like to sleep in? That that’s one of the main attractions of a vacation for many people? Or that, setting that aside, perhaps people don’t like to be rigidly scheduled on vacation and have their sleeptimes as well as eating habits and daily activities dictated by the company to which they’re paying thousands and thousands of dollars? The company that’s supposed to be serving them, not vice versa?

This seems to be a major point of confusion, actually: WDW is supposed to be serving the guests. The guest is not supposed to be serving Disney.
I totally agree that people like to sleep in and I would say that WDW offers a wonderful experience for those who want to do just that. However, If we're saying that someone that gets up for rope drop and someone that gets up at 9am should have the same experience and opportunity, that's not really feasible is it?

I sleep late all the time when we're on vacation, but that's only when we go to the Cape and we have a house on the beach.
Even a beach vacation though, I can't expect to get up at 10am and expect to have the perfect spot near the water, when people rolled in a 7am and staked their claim.
 

nickys

Premium Member
Okay, so I am not going to go through 390 pages of rumors and arguments to locate the one nugget of wisdom I seek. Can someone tell me if staying at a Good Neighbor hotel offers me the same benefit for this Genie$ debacle as someone staying at an on-site hotel? I have seen people saying both yes and no other places so I thought I would check here.
The only benefit I can think of is the ability to book the ILL$ at 7am. Not sure what, if any, other benefits you are concerned about.
 

OvertheHorizon

Well-Known Member
I updated my Disney app on Tuesday morning with the new Genie+ information. I spent Tuesday in the Magic Kingdom and Wednesday in Epcot and managed not to succumb to spending more money on Genie+ for specific Lightning Lane attractions. I found lots of other issues with the app, including the fact that my Wednesday evening dinner reservation wasn't showing at the time I wanted to "check in." At other times, various other aspects of the app either disappeared or didn't work when I clicked on them.
 

PolynesianPrincess

Well-Known Member
Any time I've been to WDW recently lots of people are up and about in the early hours. The food courts are busy. The buses are full.

I don't think any of us know the exact breakdown.

In any case, the early bird has always gotten the worm at WDW. Getting there early = more attractions, more Fastpasses, shorter waits, etc.

Also, if the majority do sleep in, then it's fine. There will still be plenty of Genie+ options available for all later.

There are some exceptions, Slinky Dog Dash has been mentioned. No surprise there. My last trip I was stuck with a late evening FP because it was day 1 of my trip and most of the FPs for it were gone. It caused me to feel like I was being held hostage in that park for the day to a degree.

When a park is as low capacity as the Studios are, Genie+ selections will be more limited.

BINGO! Getting there early has always been an advantage. When my sister and I were teenagers, we slept in. We knew we would miss out on some stuff but we were teenagers and didn't care. Our Mom was always up early. Why are people complaining about getting up to make reservations at 7am? If you switch it to the night before, the people who go to bed early will miss out. There is no PERFECT time. 7am works just fine.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Why wouldnt they just make it the night before to appeal to a larger audience? Doesnt change how the 7am people do anything

and why not just do it a week in advance then?
or how about 6months in advance?

They are steering you to make 'near term decisions' -- Not layout pick and chose plans.
 

Parker in NYC

Well-Known Member
It might be personal bias here, as we are are always rope drop people but I can't image that the group of people who are vacationing at WDW who are not AWAKE at 7am(or close to it) is very large. Not up, dressed, and out the door waiting at the parks for opening...maybe. But not awake in your hotel or soon to be awake? Not saying there aren't some people who are sleeping in, but I think generally the number of people who are vacationing at WDW and are sleeping in past say 9am (if your idea of sleeping in is 8am and your complaining about losing a single hour of sleep, I can't help you) on a park day has to be pretty small relative to overall park attendance.
Judging by the appearance of most guests, I don’t think they took that much time getting ready…
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
I feel that the people kicking up a fuss and not wanting to pay for it are doing so more for the fear in missing out on a system probably works a lot better than Fastpass+ did.

People have a choice at the end of the day
Or maybe some realize the parks still lack capacity and it’s ridiculous to celebrate monetizing the deficit instead of actually addressing the real issue.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
huh?
Disney is garnishing your wages?
The complaint was Disney GCs were worthless to their hypothetical person because they had to be spent at Disney.

Have you ever been in the parks and be confident that you'll never have to spend another dollar at Disney? Unless you're checking out and walking out the door - the odds are no.
 

DCBaker

Premium Member
Okay, so I am not going to go through 390 pages of rumors and arguments to locate the one nugget of wisdom I seek. Can someone tell me if staying at a Good Neighbor hotel offers me the same benefit for this Genie$ debacle as someone staying at an on-site hotel? I have seen people saying both yes and no other places so I thought I would check here.

The only benefit I can think of is the ability to book the ILL$ at 7am. Not sure what, if any, other benefits you are concerned about.

As mentioned above, Disney resort guests that can purchase the Individual Lightning Lanes at 7am are from these resorts -

"Available to Disney Resort hotel Guests and Guests of Walt Disney World Swan and Dolphin Hotels and Shades of Green".

 

moles.family.disney

Well-Known Member
Or maybe some realize the parks still lack capacity and it’s ridiculous to celebrate monetizing the deficit instead of actually addressing the real issue.
Constantly add rides and more parks isn’t guaranteed to sort the issue. It will probably bring even more people in.

Also, is Disney really going to improve capacity at their cost if they don’t need to? Course they aren’t
 

Jeff4272

Well-Known Member
It might be personal bias here, as we are are always rope drop people but I can't image that the group of people who are vacationing at WDW who are not AWAKE at 7am(or close to it) is very large. Not up, dressed, and out the door waiting at the parks for opening...maybe. But not awake in your hotel or soon to be awake? Not saying there aren't some people who are sleeping in, but I think generally the number of people who are vacationing at WDW and are sleeping in past say 9am (if your idea of sleeping in is 8am and your complaining about losing a single hour of sleep, I can't help you) on a park day has to be pretty small relative to overall park attendance.
I know plenty.......We close the parks and then stay up until 1am+ in the room after and never get out of bed before 9am

Ive been going to WDW since it opened and cannot count the number of times ive been so much and we have never once done rope drop...not one single time
 

Jeff4272

Well-Known Member
and why not just do it a week in advance then?
or how about 6months in advance?

They are steering you to make 'near term decisions' -- Not layout pick and chose plans.
why? makes no sense

its one reservation

its one ride

why not let people do it the day before? whats the downside?

i havent read one good reason
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Constantly add rides and more parks isn’t guaranteed to sort the issue. It will probably bring even more people in.

Also, is Disney really going to improve capacity at their cost if they don’t need to? Course they aren’t
It depends on what you add. More capacity means room for more people spending money. The return on Galaxy’s Edge is limited by the lack of capacity at Disney’s Hollywood Studios.
 

JMcMahonEsq

Active Member
So it genuinely comes as a surprise to you that people on vacation like to sleep in? That that’s one of the main attractions of a vacation for many people? Or that, setting that aside, perhaps people don’t like to be rigidly scheduled on vacation and have their sleeptimes as well as eating habits and daily activities dictated by the company to which they’re paying thousands and thousands of dollars? The company that’s supposed to be serving them, not vice versa?

This seems to be a major point of confusion, actually: WDW is supposed to be serving the guests. The guest is not supposed to be serving Disney.
Leaving aside Disney serving the quests thing (which given that over the past decade or so attendance has done nothing but increase, which would seem to be the only indicator you need that they are serving the guests) yes I am genuinely shocked and can not understand anyone who like or want to sleep in on vacation at WDW.

While I think for the most part I am getting value for what I am paying for at WDW, by no means do I think its cheap. Its expensive to take a family of 4 to WDW. Why in gods green earth am I spending all the money to go to WDW to....sleep in? I have a bed at home. If my idea of a vacation is to relax and sleep in, I can do it there and pay nothing. Or I can choose any number of other destinations that are cheaper than WDW, or that are geared more towards a restful relaxing vacation. To me it would be like the equivalent of spending a premium to stay at a luxurious beach resort....but then not wanting to go into the water. Its the same reason I don't get people who talk about "resort days" or who are so concerned about how the pool is. The pool????? Again I have a pool at home, or our town pool, or any other number of places that if I want to go swimming, I can go to that are cheaper than WDW.

But hey listen, to each their own. If you want to waste (in my opinion) your time and money sleeping in late while at WDW, that's your right. But don't complain when WDW gives people the option of utilizing a system, and gives everyone that option, and some people decide to wake up early to maximize the efficiency of the system, and you decide not to.
 

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