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Disney Genie, Genie+ officially introduced along with confirmed details of how it will work

Jrb1979

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Why? Standby is free, LL is not.......It is justifiable, esp if the posted wait time is 40 mins, actual is 25......... essentially you are paying $75 for my family of 5 to save maybe 20 mins? thats $225 an hour


I'd like to get paid $225 an hour


I think very justifiable
You are looking at in a vacuum. I'm looking at it as for $15 not only am I saving time, I'm also getting many more rides then those in standby. I am that guy that will wave at those in standby.

Why not let me book at 9pm the night before?
Cause they are going that days LL. Make it for park open make every one happy.
 

Buried20KLeague

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Smart move. Timeshares are never a good deal. People's DVC deposits put on the stock market would likely generate a much greater return in 30 years than the "savings" they experience.

And locking yourself into a yearly vacation sounds like an obligation, not a relaxing time.

yeah…. At the time I was drinking the kool-aid by the gallon. And I had money burning a hole in my pocket.

MANY times I’ve been thankful I didn’t sign that paperwork.
 

DisneyCane

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Why? Standby is free, LL is not.......It is justifiable, esp if the posted wait time is 40 mins, actual is 25......... essentially you are paying $75 for my family of 5 to save maybe 20 mins? thats $225 an hour


I'd like to get paid $225 an hour


I think very justifiable
I was going to post something similar. I would just state that standby isn't really "free," it's just included with your park admission whereas LL is an additional charge.
 

Jeff4272

Well-Known Member
You are looking at in a vacuum. I'm looking at it as for $15 not only am I saving time, I'm also getting many more rides then those in standby. I am that guy that will wave at those in standby.


Cause they are going that days LL. Make it for park open make every one happy.
Vacuum or no vacuum, $225 an hour is still $225 an hour...........by the end of the day, we will have been on the same rides in almost the exact same park time, it's just that you will have paid and i didnt

Im not saying its not worth it to you, im saying its not worth it to me

i wave at all the people from the Bahamas when im on my second vacation from all the money i saved on my Disney vacation
 

DisneyCane

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You are looking at in a vacuum. I'm looking at it as for $15 not only am I saving time, I'm also getting many more rides then those in standby. I am that guy that will wave at those in standby.
Are you really getting that many more rides? You can only use LL once per attraction.

With the original paper FP, I could ride many more rides. In fact, I used to be able to hit the headliners in all 4 parks in a single day, most of them with FP and some multiple times with FP. I had to rope drop one park and plan to be there until closing of one of the latest to close but I could do it. Something like that is impossible with this system.

Here's an example of something I would do often. At Epcot, I could rope drop, go straight to Soarin' (when it was over CA without bending buildings), get a FP for 9:30-9:45, ride standby before FP kicked in with a very short wait, go over to TT as soon as my Soarin' window opened, get a FP for somewhere around 11:30. Go back to the Land and get a Blueberry Muffin for breakfast, ride Soarin' with my FP. Ride the rest of the Epcot rides until my TT window opened. Before getting in the FP line, I would check the distribution times for TT FP. If it was for 6:15PM or later, I'd go grab one. If it was earlier, I'd ride with my FP first and then grab one.

Now, I'd leave Epcot, go grab lunch and then head to MK. I'd get a FP for either Space or Splash as soon as I got there (picking the one with the earliest return time) and then go ride the other one with standby. I'd use a combination of FP and standby to ride everything I wanted to do in MK in 3 or 4 hours. Then, I'd head back to Epcot and ride TT with my evening FP.

If Genie+ mimicked the distribution system of the original paper FP then you could ride many more rides in a day if you had a good strategy. You can definitely spend less time in the parks with Genie+ to ride the same number of rides but I'm not sure if you can really ride "many" more given equal time in the park with somebody doing standby only. With ILL added (every time I type that I think of "Licensed to Ill" by the Beastie Boys), you can do more for sure if the standby person is going to ride things like FoP or RotR. You are paying for it but your $24 (I'm assuming that's what it will be on busy days) can save you 2 1/2 hours of standing in line and you can probably ride 3 or 4 other rides in that time.
 

Waters Back Side

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Not necessarily true.........If im going to HS, I NEED to wake up at 7am to book my SDD Genie+ for a 12:15-1:15 return time..........That way when the park opens at 9am i can book my second at 11am

If i wait until 9am to book my SDD, it could be gone by the time i get up....for eg., right now its almost sold out and today is a very slow day in the park.............so you risk losing a top tier Genie+ ride if you sleep in.
Not to mention if you get lucky at 9 AM nd find a slot for SDD, it might be during a dining reservation because it will be that late in the day/early in the evening. Then you will not be able to "just wait" until later. SDD is the one so far that needs the 7-8 AM booking. Even FOP in AK has been available all day on the ILL tier whereas ROTR (and several times during the say Smugglers Run) has been sold out. Smugglers usually opens up availability it seems.

Im going to book a MRR LL for 12 Noon on my HS day and walk in around noon with a SDD Genie sometime after with Genie + choices every 2 hours or when redeemed.
 

Heelz2315

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On the other hand, Genie+ is not absolutely necessary if you know what you are doing


^^this!! If you know how to navigate the parks and what time to get there, you can still knock out a lot of attractions quickly and save the time and $. I've done it for years without any fast passes. The ONLY place I could see genie coming into play is in HS. I'd pay the $15 and get a fast pass to all the main attractions (less ROTR), and knock that park out before dinner.
 

G00fyDad

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"I'm right!"
"No! I am right!"

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Touchdown

Well-Known Member
There’s another solution, just don’t buy it. Show up for resort ERT, do slinky, TSMM, ToT and RnRC in during ERT and the first hour and accept you’re going to wait 30-60 min for MMRR and Rise. Are those rides worth those waits? I think they are, throw in Star Tours and Muppets you’ll still have done the park by noon.
 

Jeff4272

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Can anyone clarify this? I am going to MK and doing standby only from park opening, 9am-noon so i want to book all my Genie+ rides for my park hop to Epcot after 2pm

7am - book Soarin for 2pm
9am - Epcot opens
11am - eligible to book my second Genie+ on ToT

When i go to book my second Genie+ at Epcot, will it still give me return times after 2pm like when i booked my first one or will it show next available times?
 

DisneyCane

Well-Known Member
^^this!! If you know how to navigate the parks and what time to get there, you can still knock out a lot of attractions quickly and save the time and $. I've done it for years without any fast passes. The ONLY place I could see genie coming into play is in HS. I'd pay the $15 and get a fast pass to all the main attractions (less ROTR), and knock that park out before dinner.
Before dinner? If you rope drop and don't want to do RotR you can knock everything out before lunch without spending $15 as long as it is a moderate crowd or less. Should be able to do ToT and RnRC in under an hour total. Then under 20 minute wait for ST. 45 minutes for TSMM. Under an hour for Smugglers Run and then the long line for SDD. It will be a late lunch but you should be able to knock it out by 1:30 PM at the latest. Even if it is busy you can do it all before dinner without paying (probably even including RotR).
 

Jrb1979

Well-Known Member
Vacuum or no vacuum, $225 an hour is still $225 an hour...........by the end of the day, we will have been on the same rides in almost the exact same park time, it's just that you will have paid and i didnt

Im not saying its not worth it to you, im saying its not worth it to me

i wave at all the people from the Bahamas when im on my second vacation from all the money i saved on my Disney vacation
It's great it's not worth it for you. Stop trying to get others to not buy it. You're best bet is to learn to live with the new system.

Wow. really classy :rolleyes:
I don't like GP at parks.
 

Jeff4272

Well-Known Member
It's great it's not worth it for you. Stop trying to get others to not buy it. You're best bet is to learn to live with the new system.


I don't like GP at parks.
i live with it, i dont care if you pay for it.......thats your choice, i centainly wont to save 15-20 mins
 

Jeff4272

Well-Known Member
I'm glad you didn't. I once looked into it and was researching it but realized it wasn't a value proposition at all. In fact, the company wouldn't sell something they'd lose money on.

I also like the freedom to choose where I go on vacation. Otherwise it's a chore.

A friend of mine bought a 50 year DVC to Riviera before the hotel was built...

I don't understand it.
i bought 330 points (a 160 and a 170 contract) for $99 a point to BLT in 2018 and now its selling for $175........I am pretty happy with that! No market is returning that percentage over that same time frame and that doesnt include all of my trips!
 

Heelz2315

Well-Known Member
Before dinner? If you rope drop and don't want to do RotR you can knock everything out before lunch without spending $15 as long as it is a moderate crowd or less. Should be able to do ToT and RnRC in under an hour total. Then under 20 minute wait for ST. 45 minutes for TSMM. Under an hour for Smugglers Run and then the long line for SDD. It will be a late lunch but you should be able to knock it out by 1:30 PM at the latest. Even if it is busy you can do it all before dinner without paying (probably even including RotR).
I was referring to the MK. My post said the only park I could see it being benificial is HS. I've been going to these parks since 1977 at least once a year. I made it around before and during FP+, and hardly ever used them. If you play your cards right, you can do it. I've done it for years.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
It's also possible the reason Slinky Dog is behaving so different from other attraction availability is Disney could be running A/B tests in how they handle an attraction. Literally different set of rules/behaviors in how they are handling LL vs another attraction to do evaluations of how things behave/outcomes.

Just food for thought...
 

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