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Disney Genie, Genie+ officially introduced along with confirmed details of how it will work

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
Are you guys mad or happy about this?

So far it works for people who want to schedule their rides, and so far it works for people who don't.
I think they are pointing out the comedic ridiculousness of Disney trying to get people to pay for something (LL access) when LL will be no faster than current wait times. I know I’m laughing at it.
 

DCLcruiser

Well-Known Member
So far, this new LL system seems basically like the old systems and would not alter my strategies that have worked for decades. Paying for an IAS is just an extra perk if you want to use it. For RotR, I would use it (hopefully it doesn't break down).
 

MisterPenguin

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Premium Member
For clarification, you can book your second attraction immediately after you use your first booking OR two hours after your first booking... whichever happens first... correct?
Actually, if you book a LL and don't show, I believe the countdown of 2 hours starts when that ride window expires an hour later. But since you can cancel a LL that you won't use, it's mostly theoretical.

But, yes, for all intents and purposes, you are correct.

When you tap into a LL, start the process of grabbing your next one! (Just like FP+ after your third one was used.)
 

dreday3

Well-Known Member
I think they are pointing out the comedic ridiculousness of Disney trying to get people to pay for something (LL access) when LL will be no faster than current wait times. I know I’m laughing at it.

As already explained, that's not why people will get it.

Again, it helps those that prefer to schedule a ride in advance and doesn't seem to be hurting those that don't.
 

DisneyCane

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I don't like to wait in Standby, so I always get fastpass even if it's only to saves 5 minutes. Fastpass is just a fun thing to get, like a scavenger hunt. It gives purpose for the day at the park. However, it is an exciting, stressful way of doing WDW. People who are more patient and even tempered than me can easily enjoy waiting in a standby line that isn't excessively long. They can chat with family and admire the standby decorations, and make it a leisurely experience. It's something I can't do. I always blaze through WDW. I constantly yell at my teens to walk faster, even though I'm normally the slowest walker in the family. Sometimes I spend most of my time on a ride staring at my phone, trying to get a fastpass for the next ride. Doesn't matter which ride just as long as I get a fastpass for it. It's super exciting. I'm normally low energy, but in WDW I suddenly have more energy than all my teens combined. That's why fastpass/Genie+ is extremely important to me.
The good news is that Disney will be more than happy to take your $15 per day per person so you can challenge yourself with getting LL.
 

LovePop

Well-Known Member
So $LL is essentially a gamble? That 30 minute line could be 60 by the time your arrival window opens, or it could be 15.

EDIT: 30 minutes is a long time to wait in a line with kids. I'd much rather spend the 25min running around outside with them. Of coruse the $9 could be lower ...
That's true. It also means if you can beat it somehow, like catch it when the wait is 15, or go later, you are saving yourself $$ each time. Like a game. See how much you can save each day at WDW!
 

LovePop

Well-Known Member
The good news is that Disney will be more than happy to take your $15 per day per person so you can challenge yourself with getting LL.
Yeah, personally I'm fine with that. We'll just take the money out of other things, like eating ADRs, so that my totally money donated to Disney will remain the same, or maybe be reduced. Disney can try to suck more money out of me. I can control it by closing the valve elsewhere.
 
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MisterPenguin

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I think they are pointing out the comedic ridiculousness of Disney trying to get people to pay for something (LL access) when LL will be no faster than current wait times. I know I’m laughing at it.
In the FP+ days. If you had a HM FP scheduled for 3 PM, and it is currently 1 PM, would you consider that a 2 hour wait?

Because that's what people are doing to claim how "crazy" DG+ is.

When the scheduled time comes, you can skip the line. Just like FP+ worked, whether the FP+ or LL is scheduled to begin immediately, or hours from now.

The trick is not to see how far away the return time is, but how long the standby is. It would be ridiculous to be paying money to skip the lines of rides whose lines are less than 10 minutes long.

DG+ gives you a handful of line-skips thruout the day. ILL adds on two more line skips. That's what one is paying for.
 
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disneygeek90

Premium Member
I don't like to wait in Standby, so I always get fastpass even if it's only to saves 5 minutes. Fastpass is just a fun thing to get, like a scavenger hunt. It gives purpose for the day at the park. However, it is an exciting, stressful way of doing WDW. People who are more patient and even tempered than me can easily enjoy waiting in a standby line that isn't excessively long. They can chat with family and admire the standby decorations, and make it a leisurely experience. It's something I can't do. I always blaze through WDW. I constantly yell at my teens to walk faster, even though I'm normally the slowest walker in the family. Sometimes I spend most of my time on a ride staring at my phone, trying to get a fastpass for the next ride. Doesn't matter which ride just as long as I get a fastpass for it. It's super exciting. I'm normally low energy, but in WDW I suddenly have more energy than all my teens combined. That's why fastpass/Genie+ is extremely important to me.
That is surely a unique way to experience WDW. Why even go on the ride?
 

wedenterprises

Well-Known Member
What's your cost per minute break even point?

;)
That's a good question!
With a toddler, value to me isn't derived through money. Short waits are key. Like I said, lower than $9 would be nice but it's not the priority.

I wouldn't want my toddler waiting in anything past a posted 30min wait. If it was a must do and the last day of our holiday and the toddler was starting to get tired, I'd pay through my eyeballs to skip that line.

Sorry boys, chapek wins.
 

DCLcruiser

Well-Known Member
DG+ gives you a handful of line-skips thruout the day. ILL add on two more line skips. That's what one is paying for.
100%

You should always try to book LL that are closest to the current time. That way almost every ride is LL. Then if you have to wait awhile for your next LL you go on non-LL rides. You should try to only book far off LL for major rides that have really long waits usually. Considering the IAS rides are the most popular rides (and not part of Genie+), you can book an IAS for later in the day and enjoy LL the rest of the time.
 

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
100%

You should always try to book LL that are closest to the current time. That way almost every ride is LL. Then if you have to wait awhile for your next LL you go on non-LL rides. You should try to only book far off LL for major rides that have really long waits usually. Considering the IAS rides are the most popular rides (and not part of Genie+), you can book an IAS for later in the day and enjoy LL the rest of the time.
8 nights on property will be my key to doing this efficiently. That gives me 8 early entry rope drops, one for each of the ILL attractions.
 

lentesta

Well-Known Member
A question about stacking LL that I don't recall being discussed yet...

Given the following hypothetical situation...

9am: Book LL for 11:30am
11am: Book 2nd LL for 2pm

When you tap into LL #1 @ 11:30, can you immediately book another LL, or because you still have LL #2, do you have to wait until 1pm to book another LL?

If you're allowed to book immediately, then would you be able to book another at 1pm, stacking 3 LLs?

The 120-minute window for next booking starts at park open. I don't think that was explained clearly.
 

Jeff4272

Well-Known Member
The real problem for WDW modeling for revenue is that this is a diminishing marginal return.........

As these rides get experienced more and more, less and less will be willing to pay (thats why nobody is paying for Space Mountain, Frozen and Everest right now and unwilling to pay for other rides if they became IAS rides........(rather wait than pay)

WDW will have to constantly be able to bring new attractions to satisfy that demand

I know GOG, Tron and ROTR are the shiny new toys but sooner or later it will happen to them too (and i think it will happen to RemRat before the end of the year)
 
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TJ Vazquez

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
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You should always try to book LL that are closest to the current time. That way almost every ride is LL. Then if you have to wait awhile for your next LL you go on non-LL rides. You should try to only book far off LL for major rides that have really long waits usually. Considering the IAS rides are the most popular rides (and not part of Genie+), you can book an IAS for later in the day and enjoy LL the rest of the time.
So if I am reading your post correctly, selecting IAS rides won't impact your LL ride selections, meaning it doesn't count against your LL selection count,
 

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